Jump Stop and the Pivot Foot

[Adam]

Originally Posted by potato

i found this video that illustrate the rules & provide visual demonstration.

Jump stop rule - YouTube

I haven't watched the video, so this comment is not directed towards this video specifically, but these videos are typically made by coaches. Coaches often do not understand the rules. Be careful.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Adam

I haven't watched the video, so this comment is not directed towards this video specifically, but these videos are typically made by coaches. Coaches often do not understand the rules. Be careful.

That clip was made by poster jump stop on here I believe.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

That clip was made by poster jump stop on here I believe.

And looking at the video I am not sure every situation was accurate. I would have to review it again, even if created by a poster.

Peace

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And looking at the video I am not sure every situation was accurate. I would have to review it again, even if created by a poster.

Peace

Hey........... thats me, I would love for you to point out the situations that are incorrect, thats why I made this video to clarify the jump stop. I'm saying they are all correct. I love a good debate. Here is why I made the video because of calls like this

[bob jenkins]

Very hard to tell from this video, but it looks to me like she ends her dribble with the right foot on the floor (just outside the three-point line). Steps with the left (just inside the line) and then jump stops (at about the FT line extended).

that's a travel.

Now, if you judge that she didn't end the dribble until the right foot left the floor, you'd have a different call.

[potato]

How do you determine that she ended her dribble when the ball was on her hand when she was on her right foot, and that she wasn't still in dribbling motion and ended her dribble by holding the ball when she steps on the left foot and jump stops.

I know the taboo of using steps to count but another fellow forummer official said he'll call it travel for "more than 2 steps" & that means counting from the right foot when we can argue she was still in dribbling motion & the ball hasn't rest on her hand.

I've seen another video that even though the ball has been on the handler's hand and they only consider the dribble has ended and pivot foot establish when the ball is resting on his hand which in that scenario was the 2nd step he took in our case is the left foot.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Very hard to tell from this video, but it looks to me like she ends her dribble with the right foot on the floor (just outside the three-point line). Steps with the left (just inside the line) and then jump stops (at about the FT line extended).

that's a travel.

Now, if you judge that she didn't end the dribble until the right foot left the floor, you'd have a different call.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by potato

How do you determine that she ended her dribble when the ball was on her hand when she was on her right foot, and that she wasn't still in dribbling motion and ended her dribble by holding the ball when she steps on the left foot and jump stops.

I know the taboo of using steps to count but another fellow forummer official said he'll call it travel for "more than 2 steps" & that means counting from the right foot when we can argue she was still in dribbling motion & the ball hasn't rest on her hand.

I've seen another video that even though the ball has been on the handler's hand and they only consider the dribble has ended and pivot foot establish when the ball is resting on his hand which in that scenario was the 2nd step he took in our case is the left foot.

When a player has gathered is a judgment call by the official. At the point we have determined there was a gather, we then must immediately ascertain which foot is the pivot.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by potato

How do you determine that she ended her dribble when the ball was on her hand when she was on her right foot, and that she wasn't still in dribbling motion and ended her dribble by holding the ball when she steps on the left foot and jump stops.

Bob stated it pretty well before. If she doesn't put another dribble down, she wasn't still dribbling. We have to decide, and that's how most of us are going to make that decision.

Originally Posted by potato

I know the taboo of using steps to count but another fellow forummer official said he'll call it travel for "more than 2 steps" & that means counting from the right foot when we can argue she was still in dribbling motion & the ball hasn't rest on her hand.

If you're talking about my comments, that's not what I said. And what I said was way too long and convoluted. Stick with bob's statement that I paraphrased above.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by potato

How do you determine that she ended her dribble when the ball was on her hand when she was on her right foot, and that she wasn't still in dribbling motion and ended her dribble by holding the ball when she steps on the left foot and jump stops.

A dribble ends when the ball is touched with both hands, or comes to rest in one hand (or words to that effect).

And, judgment.

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by jump stop

Hey........... thats me, I would love for you to point out the situations that are incorrect, thats why I made this video to clarify the jump stop. I'm saying they are all correct. I love a good debate. Here is why I made the video because of calls like this

Your video is outstanding. If anyone tries to discredit you because you don't wear a striped shirt--then that's on them.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Your video is outstanding. If anyone tries to discredit you because you don't wear a striped shirt--then that's on them.

That's not what I said.

[JRutledge]

The video quality is not great, but it looks close and probably a travel based on the situation Bob was referring to, but without a better quality video it is hard to judge IMO when the dribble stopped. Also if I recall in the other video there were a couple of situations that were not quite accurately rules legal moves. I would have to go back and look at it again, but I remember there was some debate here over some situations. My point is there are better videos with actual breakdown of pivot foot and replay and graphics to show what is legal and what is not.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jump stop

Hey........... thats me, I would love for you to point out the situations that are incorrect, thats why I made this video to clarify the jump stop. I'm saying they are all correct. I love a good debate. Here is why I made the video because of calls like this

I was able to watch the video this morning. That's a good video, and my only (minor) critique is that it's a bit redundant.

[ref3808]

As others have said the video quaility makes it difficult however I think it's a good ruling.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

That clip was made by poster jump stop on here I believe.

A father, not an official. I'd have to go back and watch again, but I don't recall it showing what he intended to show.