Louisville / NCAT video request (added)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

I don't see an illegal dribble...you could make a case for a travel as the right foot (pivot) is off the ground when he starts his dribble

yes, that's the part I saw. Just misspoke.

[Toren]

Play 2 has a lot going on. Looks like a foul. However, if we pass on the foul, two things come to mind. If the ball leaving the offensive players hand is the start of a dribble, then we have a travel.

If the offensive player loses control of the ball and the ball hitting the ground is not the start of a dribble, he establishes backcourt status and doesn't regain frontcourt status before dribbling the ball. Team control maintained throughout...backcourt violation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Toren

he establishes backcourt status and doesn't regain frontcourt status before dribbling the ball.

Yes he does regain FC status -- foot on floor in FC, nothing touching the BC before he touches the ball.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes he does regain FC status -- foot on floor in FC, nothing touching the BC before he touches the ball.

It's close, I see back foot touching in backcourt at time of touching of the ball.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes he does regain FC status -- foot on floor in FC, nothing touching the BC before he touches the ball.

Originally Posted by Toren

It's close, I see back foot touching in backcourt at time of touching of the ball.

But, If it was a dribble (and I think the initial release was a dribble) he does not return to the FC until the both feet touch entirely in the frontcourt. The back foot in the air, due to the 3-points clause, is still in the backcourt.

Of course, that doesn't change the fact that it should have been a foul to start with.


This brings up an interesting question. We know that a dribbler who steps on the OOB line has violated even if they are not touching the ball at the time they step OOB. What about the division line? It doesn't specify that. Does the mere fact that a dribbler steps on the division line give the ball backcourt status? I think it does, indirectly through the 3-points rule.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

But, If it was a dribble (and I think the initial release was a dribble) he does not return to the FC until the both feet touch entirely in the frontcourt. The back foot in the air, due to the 3-points clause, is still in the backcourt.

That's only on a dribble from the BC to the FC. Since this dribble started in the FC, it doesn't apply.

(But your question / point about touching the BC while dribbling is interesting. I haven't watched again -- was this an interrupted dribble?)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's only on a dribble from the BC to the FC. Since this dribble started in the FC, it doesn't apply.

(But your question / point about touching the BC while dribbling is interesting. I haven't watched again -- was this an interrupted dribble?)

I don't think it was interrupted.

But, on the original point, since the dribbler gains BC status by stepping in the BC, does it then become, technically, a dribble from BC to FC. We have a dribble, we have a dribbler, that dribbler is in the BC. When does a dribbler who is in the BC gain FC status? Is that perhaps the spirit of the rule? That would also cover most cases of a dribbler stepping on the line.