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Rich Thu Mar 21, 2013 06:37pm

Louisville / NCAT video request (added)
 
Charge called at 8:14, 1st half. I'm guessing when the L sees this, he'll wish he had it over again. 2 feet down, but the upper body seems to be still sliding forward.

Rich Thu Mar 21, 2013 06:40pm

While we're at it, the backcourt violation called at 7:46, 1st half.

APG Fri Mar 22, 2013 04:57am

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KMBReferee Fri Mar 22, 2013 05:05am

Yeah both were bad decisions. No LGP on the block/charge in the first vid. On the 2nd one the trail should have called the foul when the defender knocked the player into the backcourt.

Raymond Fri Mar 22, 2013 07:38am

1st play: Should have been a block but it wasn't the worst call I've ever seen. Sometimes we get 'em wrong.

2nd play: Should have been a foul. But it wasn't even a BC violation, no part of A1 was in the backcourt when he regained possession.

Indianaref Fri Mar 22, 2013 07:47am

Play 1 should have been a "no call" & Play 2 should be a foul, but no B/C violation, maybe hard to see this from the position the new trail is, but, the heel does not touch in the backcourt.

bob jenkins Fri Mar 22, 2013 07:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMBReferee (Post 885948)
Yeah both were bad decisions. No LGP on the block/charge in the first vid. On the 2nd one the trail should have called the foul when the defender knocked the player into the backcourt.

Yep -- the foul caused an illegal dribble, and then I don't have the ball ever reaching the BC (but this part is very close).

Indianaref Fri Mar 22, 2013 07:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 885969)
1st play: Should have been a block but it wasn't the worst call I've ever seen. Sometimes we get 'em wrong.

Yes, looking at it a second time, this should have been a block. And, Yes we sometimes get 'em wrong.

Indianaref Fri Mar 22, 2013 07:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 885977)
Yep -- the foul caused an illegal dribble, and then I don't have the ball ever reaching the BC (but this part is very close).

I don't see an illegal dribble...you could make a case for a travel as the right foot (pivot) is off the ground when he starts his dribble

bob jenkins Fri Mar 22, 2013 08:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 885979)
I don't see an illegal dribble...you could make a case for a travel as the right foot (pivot) is off the ground when he starts his dribble

yes, that's the part I saw. Just misspoke.

Toren Fri Mar 22, 2013 08:59am

Interesting
 
Play 2 has a lot going on. Looks like a foul. However, if we pass on the foul, two things come to mind. If the ball leaving the offensive players hand is the start of a dribble, then we have a travel.

If the offensive player loses control of the ball and the ball hitting the ground is not the start of a dribble, he establishes backcourt status and doesn't regain frontcourt status before dribbling the ball. Team control maintained throughout...backcourt violation.

bob jenkins Fri Mar 22, 2013 09:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toren (Post 885984)
he establishes backcourt status and doesn't regain frontcourt status before dribbling the ball.

Yes he does regain FC status -- foot on floor in FC, nothing touching the BC before he touches the ball.

Toren Fri Mar 22, 2013 09:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 885985)
Yes he does regain FC status -- foot on floor in FC, nothing touching the BC before he touches the ball.

It's close, I see back foot touching in backcourt at time of touching of the ball.

Rich Fri Mar 22, 2013 09:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 885969)
1st play: Should have been a block but it wasn't the worst call I've ever seen. Sometimes we get 'em wrong.

2nd play: Should have been a foul. But it wasn't even a BC violation, no part of A1 was in the backcourt when he regained possession.

On the first one, I think the L was still moving and picked up the defender late. When that happens, we tend to go with the charge. I'm not ripping the guy, I just am looking at this to see what I can learn from it.

Blindolbat Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:06am

I'm pretty sure that none of us would have got that backcourt violation call correct. Even as I stop the play when the ball touches the hand it is nearly impossible to tell if that back foot is still on the ground or not.


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