time out during bounce to free thrower

[ref3808]

OK, maybe a post that could have been better expressed. I'm simply saying that after I release the ball to the shooter there isn't a lot of time elapsed before it's in his hand/at his/her disposal. Not much time there to hear the request, look over and respond to it.

If trail, usually facing the table/bench area, sees it and grants the TO then fine.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ref3808

Not much time there to hear the request, look over and respond to it.

It's not clear in the book (thus the many discussions we've had on similar plays), but I think all that need be done is make the request during that interval (and you becoming aware that it was made then -- even if that "awareness" happens just after the ball is caught)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's not clear in the book (thus the many discussions we've had on similar plays), but I think all that need be done is make the request during that interval (and you becoming aware that it was made then -- even if that "awareness" happens just after the ball is caught)

To me, the timeout occurs when I hear the a valid request...even if it takes me a moment to sound the whistle.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ref3808

OK, maybe a post that could have been better expressed. I'm simply saying that after I release the ball to the shooter there isn't a lot of time elapsed before it's in his hand/at his/her disposal. Not much time there to hear the request, look over and respond to it.

If trail, usually facing the table/bench area, sees it and grants the TO then fine.

What we're saying is you don't need time for all that. You only need time to hear it. If you hear it before the player catches the ball, but you verify it as he's catching it (or even after), you can blow your whistle (respond to it) after the shooter has it. We do this all the time with timeout requests.

Coach calls timeout just before the defense gets their hands on the ball and ties it up. You give him the timeout because it happened before the held ball.

Coach calls timeout just before his shooter releases a try. You blow the whistle while the shot is in the air.

Coach calls timeout just before his player releases a pass. You blow the whistle just as the defender catches the pass and starts running down court.

This play is no different.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Adam

What we're saying is you don't need time for all that. You only need time to hear it. If you hear it before the player catches the ball, but you verify it as he's catching it (or even after), you can blow your whistle (respond to it) after the shooter has it. We do this all the time with timeout requests.

Coach calls timeout just before the defense gets their hands on the ball and ties it up. You give him the timeout because it happened before the held ball.

Coach calls timeout just before his shooter releases a try. You blow the whistle while the shot is in the air.

Coach calls timeout just before his player releases a pass. You blow the whistle just as the defender catches the pass and starts running down court.

This play is no different.

Just because it was requested, doesn't mean it is granted. I may or may not grant a time out in these situations, depending on when I heard the request, verified if needed, and checked the status of the ball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Just because it was requested, doesn't mean it is granted. I may or may not grant a time out in these situations, depending on when I heard the request, verified if needed, and checked the status of the ball.

If I hear it when it's allowed to be granted, I'm granting it regardless of what happens between that moment and when I blow my whistle.

I really don't know any officials who do it differently.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Just because it was requested, doesn't mean it is granted. I may or may not grant a time out in these situations, depending on when I heard the request, verified if needed, and checked the status of the ball.

Truly, it should ONLY matter when you heard it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Just because it was requested, doesn't mean it is granted. I may or may not grant a time out in these situations, depending on when I heard the request, verified if needed, and checked the status of the ball.

Is it no longer a foul if you don't blow the whistle while the contact is still occurring?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Just because it was requested, doesn't mean it is granted. I may or may not grant a time out in these situations, depending on when I heard the request, verified if needed, and checked the status of the ball.

If you're taking a lot of time to do these things, you need to increase your awareness and recognition skills, IMO.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Rich

If you're taking a lot of time to do these things, you need to increase your awareness and recognition skills, IMO.

I don't take a long time, and don't always have to check status of ball, or look to see who called it. I know there are times when a time out is coming and I am aware of them.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I don't take a long time, and don't always have to check status of ball, or look to see who called it. I know there are times when a time out is coming and I am aware of them.

I think you completely missed his point. The amount of time you take is irrelevant.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I think you completely missed his point. The amount of time you take is irrelevant.

Oh, no. Not this again....