time out during bounce to free thrower

[jerseyref]

Little confused about disposal of ball to free throw shooter.
Can an opposing coach call a time out after the ref has bounced the ball but it has not yet been caught by the free throw shooter.

thanks...

[egj13]

I wouldn't make it harder than it has to be. In your opinion did he call it while you had it or when the player had it. Personally, once I bounce the ball the coach "didn't get it requested in time"

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jerseyref

Little confused about disposal of ball to free throw shooter.
Can an opposing coach call a time out after the ref has bounced the ball but it has not yet been caught by the free throw shooter.

thanks...

Maybe these rules will help:

Rule 4-4
ART. 7 . . . A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is:
a. Handed to a thrower or free thrower.
b. Caught by a player after it is bounced to him/her.
c. Placed on the floor at the spot.
d. Available to a player after a goal

Rule 6-1
ART. 2 . . . The ball becomes live when:
a. On a jump ball, the tossed ball leaves the official’s hand(s).
b. On a throw-in, it is at the disposal of the thrower.
c. On a free throw, it is at the disposal of the free thrower.

Rule 5-8
Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official:
ART. 3 . . . Grants a player’s/head coach’s oral or visual request for a time-out, such request being granted only when:
a. The ball is at the disposal or in control of a player of his/her team.
b. The ball is dead, unless replacement of a disqualified, or injured player(s),
or a player directed to leave the game is pending, and a substitute(s) is available and required.

[jerseyref]

so technically, he could call a timeout during the bounce, since he did not catch it yet...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by egj13

Personally, once I bounce the ball the coach "didn't get it requested in time"

Why not follow the rules?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jerseyref

so technically, he could call a timeout during the bounce, since he did not catch it yet...

Correct.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by egj13

I wouldn't make it harder than it has to be. In your opinion did he call it while you had it or when the player had it. Personally, once I bounce the ball the coach "didn't get it requested in time"

At least you're consistent.

[ref3808]

If I've already released the ball to put it at the disposal of the free thrower then by the time I verify that the head coach is the one calling the time out the ball is in the shooters hands.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by egj13

I wouldn't make it harder than it has to be. In your opinion did he call it while you had it or when the player had it. Personally, once I bounce the ball the coach "didn't get it requested in time"

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

At least you're consistent.

Consistently bad?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Consistently bad?

Consistent in that the majority of his posts state that he'll invoke a rule that should not apply in the case being discussed and/or flat out invent a rule if necessary. He's going to call whatever he wants to call and it's obvious from his posts and his arguments when called out that he really doesn't care what the rules are and has no intention of learning here.

[MD Longhorn]

You guys can refuse this time out request if you like. Is that an annoying and delaying time for a time out? Heck yes. Are you going to be in trouble for doing so? Probably not unless an observer happens to notice.

But just don't try to pretend you're going by the book or have any rule support for doing so when you do it. Cause you don't.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ref3808

If I've already released the ball to put it at the disposal of the free thrower then by the time I verify that the head coach is the one calling the time out the ball is in the shooters hands.

You'll be mad at me then if I'm the C or T in your game b/c I'll be blowing my whistle saying I acknowledged the HC's request before the ball was at A1's disposal.

[JRutledge]

I cannot even believe this is even a debate.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ref3808

If I've already released the ball to put it at the disposal of the free thrower then by the time I verify that the head coach is the one calling the time out the ball is in the shooters hands.

Think it through a moment, are you really consistent in the "too late now" application?

You know the coach asked when he was allowed, but your whistle was (rightly) delayed while you verified the (timely) request came from an authorized source. You never grant this timeout?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jrutledge

i cannot even believe this is even a debate.

Peace

+1