time out during bounce to free thrower

[just another ref]

Another example, though not as dramatic as some, of the need to further define when a timeout is "granted."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot even believe this is even a debate.

Peace

Me either. Grant the freaking timeout and be done with it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

Me either. Grant the freaking timeout and be done with it.

I have never known it to be much of an issue in the first place. When as a coach or player been in such confusion they do not ask for a timeout well in advance of this becoming a issue in the first place. That is why you take your time anyway.

Peace

[egj13]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Consistent in that the majority of his posts state that he'll invoke a rule that should not apply in the case being discussed and/or flat out invent a rule if necessary. He's going to call whatever he wants to call and it's obvious from his posts and his arguments when called out that he really doesn't care what the rules are and has no intention of learning here.

The one thing I hate about this forum is all the perfect officials in here.....you guys keep being perfect, I'll keep enjoying what I do

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by egj13

The one thing I hate about this forum is all the perfect officials in here.....you guys keep being perfect, I'll keep enjoying what I do

those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by egj13

The one thing I hate about this forum is all the perfect officials in here.....you guys keep being perfect, I'll keep enjoying what I do

This kind of says it all, doesn't it? Personal enjoyment trumps learning to do it right. Awesome.

For the record, I think the rest of us who aren't inventing rules also enjoy what we do (and those that don't move on and do something else eventually).

[Rich]

Originally Posted by egj13

The one thing I hate about this forum is all the perfect officials in here.....you guys keep being perfect, I'll keep enjoying what I do

I'm not sure how the two things you list have anything to do with one another.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Another example, though not as dramatic as some, of the need to further define when a timeout is "granted."

Do we have to go through this again? Wait? We never did get any closure the last time. I guess it's alright, but first I have to get something:

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have never known it to be much of an issue in the first place. When as a coach or player been in such confusion they do not ask for a timeout well in advance of this becoming a issue in the first place. That is why you take your time anyway.

Peace

I actually had the OP scenario happen in a MS boys game this year. As the ball is bouncing to the shooter, defensive coach requests a TO. T hits his whistle as the shooter catches it, I get the ball ball back, and T reports the TO.

Shooter's coach is a highly rated local official, and he didn't say a word.

The really neat thing is, I did it right, and I still enjoyed working that game.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by egj13

The one thing I hate about this forum is all the perfect officials in here.....you guys keep being perfect, I'll keep enjoying what I do

You enjoy knowingly doing something wrong?

It isn't exactly a hard concept to know when the ball becomes live for the FT.

I happen to enjoy being able to do it AND do it right.

Do you also enjoy calling a 5 second violation in the backcourt or travelling on a throwin?

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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by egj13

The one thing I hate about this forum is all the perfect officials in here.....you guys keep being perfect, I'll keep enjoying what I do

I'm perfect and I enjoy what I do. At least that's what my wife observes

I think maybe you've gotten too used to the laid back atmosphere of Montana hoops. Things will change when you hit Florida.

[ref3808]

OK, maybe a post that could have been better expressed. I'm simply saying that after I release the ball to the shooter there isn't a lot of time elapsed before it's in his hand/at his/her disposal. Not much time there to hear the request, look over and respond to it.

If trail, usually facing the table/bench area, sees it and grants the TO then fine.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ref3808

Not much time there to hear the request, look over and respond to it.

It's not clear in the book (thus the many discussions we've had on similar plays), but I think all that need be done is make the request during that interval (and you becoming aware that it was made then -- even if that "awareness" happens just after the ball is caught)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's not clear in the book (thus the many discussions we've had on similar plays), but I think all that need be done is make the request during that interval (and you becoming aware that it was made then -- even if that "awareness" happens just after the ball is caught)

To me, the timeout occurs when I hear the a valid request...even if it takes me a moment to sound the whistle.