BI on Joakim Noah (video)

[APG]

From the second clip:

The first play is close...under NBA rules, if the ball is on the rim, but falling off the edge, then it's legal for either team to touch the ball. I think the Nuggets play JUST starts to touch the ball as the ball is falling off the edge, thus making it a legal play and a no call correct.

Joakim's first tip in play (from the 2nd clip posted) looks legal to me.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

From the second clip:

The first play is close...under NBA rules, if the ball is on the rim, but falling off the edge, then it's legal for either team to touch the ball. I think the Nuggets play JUST starts to touch the ball as the ball is falling off the edge, thus making it a legal play and a no call correct.

Joakim's first tip in play looks legal to me.

Odd rule for the NBA....so much more subjective than being over the rim or not. I'd bet that if the defender had taken if off the rim at that time, they would have called BI/GT and if they didn't, the Nuggets and fans would be just as outraged.


Now, how could Joakim's contact be legal at any level? It was a try that was on the way down, was above the rim, and had a chance to go in????

It wasn't an alley oop, which only becomes legal to grab because it is off to the side/front of the basket....where it isn't going in.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Odd rule for the NBA....so much more subjective than being over the rim or not. I'd bet that if the defender had taken if off the rim at that time, they would have called BI/GT and if they didn't, the Nuggets and fans would be just as furious.


Now, how could Joakim's contact be legal at any level? It was a try that was on the way down, was above the rim, and had a chance to go in????

It wasn't an alley oop, which only becomes legal to grab because it is off to the side/front of the basket....where it isn't going in.

Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't talking about the play from the first clip...I meant the play that bob was referencing in the 2nd clip posted.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I'd like to see the NBA have a rules clinic and/or test for all announcers. These guys have no idea what a disservice they're doing to the game when they're passing on bad information, and I think they'd be surprised what they've been getting wrong.

I'd actually like to see such announcer clinics for NCAA broadcasters, too, but that would be more difficult to enforce. You would think the NBA could take a little more control of that.

The NBA does give out rules clinics/tests to announcers...every now and then you'll see an article written about this before the NBA season starts. This is also where most announcers are going to hear about the league's POE's and rule changes for the year. But I mean it doesn't matter to the networks if announcers fail...it's whatever.

And no professional league is going to get involved with a network's announcers on things such as rules knowledge..especially not on the local level (as was in this case).

[HawkeyeCubP]

The NCAA GT rule reads differently from NFHS and NBA. So that helps things.

[APG]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

The NCAA GT rule reads differently from NFHS and NBA. So that helps things.

While the rules are generally the same for all three levels, there are differences:

NFHS:

All that matters is if it's a try and the ball on its downward flight and a chance to go in. Ball can be contacted off the glass if the ball is still on its upward flight. Also BI applies on a throw-in

NCAA:

Must be a try and the ball on its downward flight and a chance to go in. The ball can not be contacted after it's touched the glass above the level of the rim with a chance to go in. BI applies on throw-ins

Edit: And apparently, it applies to defensive players only according to 4-34-1

NBA

Applies anytime a ball is in flight with a chance to score and on its downward flight. Goaltending if the ball is contacted after it hits the glass with a chance to go in...also goaltending if the ball is contacted below the rim if the ball is on its upward flight (with a chance to score). There can be no goaltending or BI during a throw-in, so a player could catch the ball above the cylinder straight from a throw-in. Also not BI if the ball is contacted on the rim, but falling off the edge.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by APG

NCAA:

Must be a try and the ball on its downward flight and a chance to go in. The ball can not be contacted after it's touched the glass above the level of the rim with a chance to go in. BI applies on ...

My understanding of the NCAA rule is that GT can only apply to defensive players.

[APG]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

My understanding of the NCAA rule is that GT can only apply to defensive players.

Went back and looked at the rule...did not know NCAA made that distinction.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

My understanding of the NCAA rule is that GT can only apply to defensive players.

Interesting. Didn't know that. Seems a bit unfair to make a live ball playable by one team but not the other.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by APG

NFHS: All that matters is if it's a try and the ball on its downward flight and a chance to go in.

Might I add: Outside the cylinder?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jay R

One announcer so badly wants it to be the wrong call

So badly they were willing to fight over it....SMH

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[OKREF]

I have a question. NFHS rules.

4-22. Goaltending occurs when a player touches the ball during a field-goal try or tap while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight.

Does this mean "in the cylinder". Or just anywhere above the ring and coming down? If it means in the cylinder, then Noahs play would have been legal, correct?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I have a question. NFHS rules.

4-22. Goaltending occurs when a player touches the ball during a field-goal try or tap while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight.

Does this mean "in the cylinder". Or just anywhere above the ring and coming down? If it means in the cylinder, then Noahs play would have been legal, correct?

It means outside the cylinder. If it's in the cylinder, then it's Basket Interference.

Different name, similar infraction, same penalty (on this type of play).

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It means outside the cylinder. If it's in the cylinder, then it's Basket Interference.

Different name, similar infraction, same penalty (on this type of play).

Right. BI the ball has to be on or in the basket. In Noah's play, the ball wasn't over the rim, and the NFHS defination, I guess is not written well. Some might be interpret above the ring level as in the cylinder. All I was saying.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by OKREF

... the NFHS defination, I guess is not written well.

Well, at least this is the only poorly written, vague, or ambiguous definition or case play that they have. At least there are no incorrect or contradictory case plays and rules.