BI on Joakim Noah (video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Players do not know rules. There reaction is irrelevant. Players think GT is when the play is BI. If that is the case then why to players and coaches react when someone slaps the backboard? Now the NBA rule is different, but HS and college players think that is GT.

Peace

That is merely a confusion in terminology...mixing two terms that are both used in essentially the same context. That is not a big deal. It wouldn't bother me one bit if they merged the two into one.

[SAJ]

Here's some more info on both plays being discussed - link

[FMadera]

Ok, using the relevant rules, what makes this particularly confusing is that replay can be used if a violation was called. In this case, while the NBA says that Noah was called for a violation, and thus, the play was reviewable. However, there sure wasn't much indication that a violation was called, which probably lead to the confusion as to why one was reviewed and the other was not.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by SAJ

Here's some more info on both plays being discussed - link

That writer suggests switching to FIBA rules regarding GT/BI. Unfortunately, he apparently doesn't understand those either. Even under FIBA rules, Noah's actions would still be GT since it had not yet hit the rim. FIBA rules would have made the tip-in by Koufos legal since it had already contacted the rim.

So, in effect, it was called by FIBA rules.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That is merely a confusion in terminology...mixing two terms that are both used in essentially the same context. That is not a big deal. It wouldn't bother me one bit if they merged the two into one.

Either way these are two different terminologies and if you cannot distinguish it shows a lack of knowledge of what you would be complaining about. Words that have different definitions matter and this is not unique to rules or sports.We could be talking about the law or academia and come to the same conclusion when people do not know the difference in basic definitions. It is not about what bothers you or me, it is just clear that these two situations still have different applications because they were different acts.

Peace

[APG]

From the second clip:

The first play is close...under NBA rules, if the ball is on the rim, but falling off the edge, then it's legal for either team to touch the ball. I think the Nuggets play JUST starts to touch the ball as the ball is falling off the edge, thus making it a legal play and a no call correct.

Joakim's first tip in play (from the 2nd clip posted) looks legal to me.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

From the second clip:

The first play is close...under NBA rules, if the ball is on the rim, but falling off the edge, then it's legal for either team to touch the ball. I think the Nuggets play JUST starts to touch the ball as the ball is falling off the edge, thus making it a legal play and a no call correct.

Joakim's first tip in play looks legal to me.

Odd rule for the NBA....so much more subjective than being over the rim or not. I'd bet that if the defender had taken if off the rim at that time, they would have called BI/GT and if they didn't, the Nuggets and fans would be just as outraged.


Now, how could Joakim's contact be legal at any level? It was a try that was on the way down, was above the rim, and had a chance to go in????

It wasn't an alley oop, which only becomes legal to grab because it is off to the side/front of the basket....where it isn't going in.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Odd rule for the NBA....so much more subjective than being over the rim or not. I'd bet that if the defender had taken if off the rim at that time, they would have called BI/GT and if they didn't, the Nuggets and fans would be just as furious.


Now, how could Joakim's contact be legal at any level? It was a try that was on the way down, was above the rim, and had a chance to go in????

It wasn't an alley oop, which only becomes legal to grab because it is off to the side/front of the basket....where it isn't going in.

Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't talking about the play from the first clip...I meant the play that bob was referencing in the 2nd clip posted.