Correctable Error?

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Something from our fanboy site, from a coach, that gave me pause:



If this error is caught before it becomes at Team A's disposal after B's goal (i.e., while the ball is still dead), wouldn't this still be correctable?

No, the wrong team in-bounding the ball is not one of the 5 correctable errors. The case book does say that a throw-in by an improper team can be corrected but only before the throw-in by the improper team ends

-Josh

[Rich]

There's officiating by the book and with the book.

Here's a situation:

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A1 shoots, ball goes through the net, rolls out of bounds. A2 quickly retrieves the ball and tosses it to A3 who lays it in before the official can react.
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Is there anyone here who would actually allow this bucket to count?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's officiating by the book and with the book.

Here's a situation:

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A1 shoots, ball goes through the net, rolls out of bounds. A2 quickly retrieves the ball and tosses it to A3 who lays it in before the official can react.
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Is there anyone here who would actually allow this bucket to count?

Not I.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's officiating by the book and with the book.

Here's a situation:

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A1 shoots, ball goes through the net, rolls out of bounds. A2 quickly retrieves the ball and tosses it to A3 who lays it in before the official can react.
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Is there anyone here who would actually allow this bucket to count?

Case book play says we shouldn't allow it anyhow. I hope to god that one of the two/three officials would catch this in a timely fashion.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by APG

Case book play says we shouldn't allow it anyhow. I hope to god that one of the two/three officials would catch this in a timely fashion.

OK, bad example then. Still, even if the wrong team is awarded the ball for an AP throw-in (or any throw-in) it would make sense to have a window where this could/would be corrected that's a bit more forgiving than when the throw-in is completed.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Rich

OK, bad example then. Still, even if the wrong team is awarded the ball for an AP throw-in (or any throw-in) it would make sense to have a window where this could/would be corrected that's a bit more forgiving than when the throw-in is completed.

I wouldn't correct it after the action in the OP however. I would just have to be more diligent. If I realized this before team B scored I might blow the play dead, discuss it with my partner, take off the 2 points and go POI. Then just be more diligent.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

There's officiating by the book and with the book.

Here's a situation:

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A1 shoots, ball goes through the net, rolls out of bounds. A2 quickly retrieves the ball and tosses it to A3 who lays it in before the official can react.
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Is there anyone here who would actually allow this bucket to count?

What bucket? The ball was dead.

[jdmara]

If a team is doing it intentionally to gain an advantage not intended by the rules, call an unsporting technical on the offender. If a team in-bounded the ball out of confusion or ignorance and we fail to catch it prior to the throw-in ending, that is our failure IMO and not correctable.

-Josh

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jdmara

If a team is doing it intentionally to gain an advantage not intended by the rules, call an unsporting technical on the offender. If a team in-bounded the ball out of confusion or ignorance and we fail to catch it prior to the throw-in ending, that is our failure IMO and not correctable.

-Josh

Still, a quick throw-in and we might not be able to catch it in time. If I'm the new Lead and while looking back I see what happened I'm killing the play, confusion or not, throw-in completed or not.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jdmara

If a team is doing it intentionally to gain an advantage not intended by the rules, call an unsporting technical on the offender. If a team in-bounded the ball out of confusion or ignorance and we fail to catch it prior to the throw-in ending, that is our failure IMO and not correctable.

-Josh

It may be my failure, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't necessarily fix it.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Rich

It may be my failure, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't necessarily fix it.

Handing the ball to the wrong team out of a timeout/intermission is the fault of the official as well but the case book says we cannot correct it after the throw-in ends.

-Josh

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Handing the ball to the wrong team out of a timeout/intermission is the fault of the official as well but the case book says we cannot correct it after the throw-in ends.

-Josh

Yup, indeed it says that. I know it says that. Your point is...?

[rekent]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What bucket? The ball was dead.

Agreed, and I've got a Delay of Game to go along with it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jdmara

No, the wrong team in-bounding the ball is not one of the 5 correctable errors. The case book does say that a throw-in by an improper team can be corrected but only before the throw-in by the improper team ends

-Josh

Under this theory Team A could get away it multiple times as long they perform a quick throw-in. I don't think this is what was intended by the rules.