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bainsey Mon Mar 18, 2013 09:12am
Correctable Error?
 
Something from our fanboy site, from a coach, that gave me pause:

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(A-1) shoots his second free throw and makes it. The ball bounces once or twice after it goes through the net and (A-2) grabs it and inbounds back to (A-1) who lays it in for 2. (Team B) then inbounds and heads down court and scores before anyone realized what happened (with the exception of Coach (B) who was completely beside himself). The refs finally stopped play and allowed the basket to count deeming it an incorrectable error b/c (Team B) came down and scored before they stopped play.
If this error is caught before it becomes at Team A's disposal after B's goal (i.e., while the ball is still dead), wouldn't this still be correctable?

bob jenkins Mon Mar 18, 2013 09:16am
Yes.

jdmara Mon Mar 18, 2013 09:25am
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 885148)
Something from our fanboy site, from a coach, that gave me pause:



If this error is caught before it becomes at Team A's disposal after B's goal (i.e., while the ball is still dead), wouldn't this still be correctable?
No, the wrong team in-bounding the ball is not one of the 5 correctable errors. The case book does say that a throw-in by an improper team can be corrected but only before the throw-in by the improper team ends

-Josh

Rich Mon Mar 18, 2013 09:31am
There's officiating by the book and with the book.

Here's a situation:

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A1 shoots, ball goes through the net, rolls out of bounds. A2 quickly retrieves the ball and tosses it to A3 who lays it in before the official can react.
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Is there anyone here who would actually allow this bucket to count?

deecee Mon Mar 18, 2013 09:36am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 885155)
There's officiating by the book and with the book.

Here's a situation:

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A1 shoots, ball goes through the net, rolls out of bounds. A2 quickly retrieves the ball and tosses it to A3 who lays it in before the official can react.
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Is there anyone here who would actually allow this bucket to count?
Not I.

Raymond Mon Mar 18, 2013 09:55am
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Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 885154)
No, the wrong team in-bounding the ball is not one of the 5 correctable errors. The case book does say that a throw-in by an improper team can be corrected but only before the throw-in by the improper team ends

-Josh
Under this theory Team A could get away it multiple times as long they perform a quick throw-in. I don't think this is what was intended by the rules.

APG Mon Mar 18, 2013 09:58am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 885155)
There's officiating by the book and with the book.

Here's a situation:

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A1 shoots, ball goes through the net, rolls out of bounds. A2 quickly retrieves the ball and tosses it to A3 who lays it in before the official can react.
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Is there anyone here who would actually allow this bucket to count?
Case book play says we shouldn't allow it anyhow. I hope to god that one of the two/three officials would catch this in a timely fashion.

Rich Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:18am
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 885162)
Case book play says we shouldn't allow it anyhow. I hope to god that one of the two/three officials would catch this in a timely fashion.
OK, bad example then. Still, even if the wrong team is awarded the ball for an AP throw-in (or any throw-in) it would make sense to have a window where this could/would be corrected that's a bit more forgiving than when the throw-in is completed.

deecee Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:21am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 885168)
OK, bad example then. Still, even if the wrong team is awarded the ball for an AP throw-in (or any throw-in) it would make sense to have a window where this could/would be corrected that's a bit more forgiving than when the throw-in is completed.
I wouldn't correct it after the action in the OP however. I would just have to be more diligent. If I realized this before team B scored I might blow the play dead, discuss it with my partner, take off the 2 points and go POI. Then just be more diligent.

Adam Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:46am
I'm correcting the OP.
2-3, 2-10, and that case play. Oh, and common sense.

Camron Rust Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:55am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 885155)
There's officiating by the book and with the book.

Here's a situation:

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A1 shoots, ball goes through the net, rolls out of bounds. A2 quickly retrieves the ball and tosses it to A3 who lays it in before the official can react.
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Is there anyone here who would actually allow this bucket to count?
What bucket? The ball was dead.

jdmara Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:00pm
If a team is doing it intentionally to gain an advantage not intended by the rules, call an unsporting technical on the offender. If a team in-bounded the ball out of confusion or ignorance and we fail to catch it prior to the throw-in ending, that is our failure IMO and not correctable.

-Josh

Raymond Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 885192)
If a team is doing it intentionally to gain an advantage not intended by the rules, call an unsporting technical on the offender. If a team in-bounded the ball out of confusion or ignorance and we fail to catch it prior to the throw-in ending, that is our failure IMO and not correctable.

-Josh
Still, a quick throw-in and we might not be able to catch it in time. If I'm the new Lead and while looking back I see what happened I'm killing the play, confusion or not, throw-in completed or not.

rekent Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 885179)
What bucket? The ball was dead.
Agreed, and I've got a Delay of Game to go along with it.

Rich Mon Mar 18, 2013 01:20pm
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Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 885192)
If a team is doing it intentionally to gain an advantage not intended by the rules, call an unsporting technical on the offender. If a team in-bounded the ball out of confusion or ignorance and we fail to catch it prior to the throw-in ending, that is our failure IMO and not correctable.

-Josh
It may be my failure, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't necessarily fix it.


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