Pre-free throw hand fighting

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by agr8zebra

I simply go to the offender, state, while pointing at the lane space, "See that line, well there is an imaginary plane that extends up and you can't put your hand or foot for that matter through that plane before the ball hits the rim" then depending on the team A or B, I saw we'll cancel the attempt or shoot the shot over again if the shooter misses.

Good idea except for the fact that the rules don't require that any player keep their hands inside their plane....only the feet/legs.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by maven

Before calling a foul, remember that contact alone is not illegal. The contact must disadvantage an opponent.

2012-13 NFHS POINTS OF EMPHASIS

4) Guidelines to enforce illegal contact. Escalating fight situations can often be traced back to illegal contact not being properly enforced and penalized. Examples of illegal contact are:
Contact between players in free throw lane spaces prior to the ball contacting the ring a. It is illegal to physically contact an opponent prior to the ball legally contacting the ring.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Good idea except for the fact that the rules don't require that any player keep their hands inside their plane, only the feet/legs.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks for posting. You'd be surprised at the number of officials that don't quite understand this simple concept. If I may do a little nit picking, please? The rule only applies to the feet, not the legs.

[buckrog64]

I work JV and J-high and it seems you see more of this during the girls games. One time I warned the girls about not violating the principle of verticality and of course they look at me like I'm from Mars, but by the tone they seem to understand they needed to knock it off. Next time we went up to the free throw line, the shooter had the ball and the other six on the blocks all had hands straight up like they were in a bank being robbed. This sight did not go unnoticed by the amused crowd.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by buckrog64

One time I warned the girls about not violating the principle of verticality ... the other six on the blocks all had hands straight up like they were in a bank being robbed.

The players only have marked lane space "verticality" restrictions on their feet. Heads, elbows, shoulders, hands, hips, and knees can go through any plane, short of contact.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by buckrog64

You see more of this during the girls games.

Agree. Why?

[Stat-Man]

I had this at the last game I officiated for the season (JV Boys makeup). I said something a bit more diplomatic than "knock it off" to let them know it needed to stop. Thankfully, they got the message and stopped.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by agr8zebra

I simply go to the offender, state, while pointing at the lane space, "See that line, well there is an imaginary plane that extends up and you can't put your hand or foot for that matter through that plane before the ball hits the rim" then depending on the team A or B, I saw we'll cancel the attempt or shoot the shot over again if the shooter misses.

If it is prior to the shooter having the ball I "Stare them down" and like you stated say knock it off, or when you are done we'll start this thing.

Yes, they can. You are making up a rule which doesn't exist.

[chicodork]

In regards to the hand fighting as the free throw shooter is holding the ball, and it so bad that a foul is called, what happens to the free throw? If Team A is shooting, and a kid from Team A is called for pushing on the lane, does the foul negate the shots?

Never seen it, and don't anticipate it, but these things always get me thinking, plus it's late!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by chicodork

In regards to the hand fighting as the free throw shooter is holding the ball, and it so bad that a foul is called, what happens to the free throw? If Team A is shooting, and a kid from Team A is called for pushing on the lane, does the foul negate the shots?

Continuous motion applies here; and whether, or not, the foul is by the free throw shooting team, or the nonshooting team; and whether, or not, the free throw has been released when the foul occurs; or whether, or not, the free throw shooter is in the act of shooting when the foul occurs.

I don't believe that a foul will ever "negate" a free throw, only a violation by the shooting team will "negate" a free throw.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Free throw hand fighting.

Sorry guys, but every time I read the title of this thread, I kept thinking of this song. I tried, but eventually succumbed. I'm weak. I'm very, very weak.