I'll be Seeing These Guys Tomorrow

[letemplay]

Others have said it...a case of way too many assistants. I'd bet at least a couple are former HC's that, for what ever reason (I'd offer a guess), lost that position and cannot behave benchside like an assistant should.

[Rich]

Apparently this is also a conference that decided to revert to 2-man and most of the experienced officials decided to not work the conference.

Good on them for the technical, but after that there's no reason not to get out of there and go opposite the benches until it's time to shoot the free throws. If an assistant is going to get run, let it happen from a distance.

And this was a regular season game. Some teams have a lot of coaches on the bench. Not in our purview. Also, even if they are head coaches at other levels, there's a seat belt rule in WI for all but varsity head coaches. JV and FR coaches have to sit with the exceptions listed in the rules.

[Nevadaref]

Thanks for the extra info Rich.

[ballgame99]

I can't imagine having this much conversation with anyone other than the HC. If they want to have that many assistants and said assistants want to run their mouths, whack-em-all!! That is just crazy. How they got out of that sequence with just one T is amazing.

BTW, who is the dude in the pullover that comes in at the end? He must have been from the home school by the way they were heckling him. He didn't help matters by being hot headed when he got there.

[rockyroad]

Watching it again, it appears that after the initial disagreement and subsequent T on the assistant coach, the rest of the whole mess seems to be the coaching staff yelling at the table crew and the officials trying to get them to knock that off. So maybe that's why there were no more T's handed out?

[Tim C]

OK, Oregon uses two person crews for all games at all times for all genders completely through the state championship games.

Cameron will come here and will say he sees a change coming (that means for the first time Oregon has developed a committee to review going to 3 person crews) the sticking point is Title 9 and GV.

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Tim C

OK, Oregon uses two person crews for all games at all times for all genders completely through the state championship games.

Cameron will come here and will say he sees a change coming (that means for the first time Oregon has developed a committee to review going to 3 person crews) the sticking point is Title 9 and GV.

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

You must be observing some pretty boring games then.

No missed off-ball screens?

No missed fouls on shooters when L is screened off and T is too far away (or vice versa)?

Nothing missed in rebounding action with all those bodies in the paint?

No close games where getting those missed calls would have made a difference? Or the "guess" call be an out of position official that did make a difference? No games where a third set of eyes would have made a difference?

Find that all really hard to believe.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Tim C

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

Do you think they coulda used a third in these clips?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tim C

OK, Oregon uses two person crews for all games at all times for all genders completely through the state championship games.

Cameron will come here and will say he sees a change coming (that means for the first time Oregon has developed a committee to review going to 3 person crews) the sticking point is Title 9 and GV.

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

Spoken like someone who has never worked 3 man. Or never figured it out.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Tim C

OK, Oregon uses two person crews for all games at all times for all genders completely through the state championship games.

Cameron will come here and will say he sees a change coming (that means for the first time Oregon has developed a committee to review going to 3 person crews) the sticking point is Title 9 and GV.

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

The game has changed. A 3rd official improves coverage in 100% of boys games and about half of the girls games I work.

When's the last time you worked a game?

Edited to add: I responded to your first post without reading the rest of them. I see you've moved into your usual role of provocateur. I'll pass, thanks.

If you wish to argue we never need a third in baseball, I'd be more likely to agree and listen.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Tim C

OK, Oregon uses two person crews for all games at all times for all genders completely through the state championship games.

Cameron will come here and will say he sees a change coming (that means for the first time Oregon has developed a committee to review going to 3 person crews) the sticking point is Title 9 and GV.

As an ex-basketball official (for 25 years) I see no advantage at all in the extra official in 99% of high school games that I have observed over the past five years.

Just sayin"

T

I worked in Portland for 8 years - before that several years in California and other states - all 2 man. I didn't know anything about 3-man so I figured 2-man was just fine. Then I moved to Texas and learned 3-man and work both 2 and 3-man depending on the size of the schools involved. There's NO WAY that 2-man is sufficient. I hate working 2-man for any boys varsity game. It's impossible to see everything.

One thing I will say is that the level of talent in Oregon is lower than some of the other areas I've been. Certainly here in Dallas, the talent and skill level is significantly higher than in Portland. So I can see why someone who has never worked 3-man would have the illusion that 2-man is enough, but I do not see how anyone would be so arrogant as to admonish 3-man when they have never worked it, or have never worked high level boys basketball.

[#olderthanilook]

2 man crew for playoffs??? Weird.

I'm in agreement with others who have posted. TOO much yapping between officials and bench personnel.

Talk to the HC and only the HC. Tell him to get his bench under control. If he doesn't immediately turn to them and tell them to sit down and shut up, then it's a T to the bench indirect to HC.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

2 man crew for playoffs??? Weird.

I'm in agreement with others who have posted. TOO much yapping between officials and bench personnel.

Talk to the HC and only the HC. Tell him to get his bench under control. If he doesn't immediately turn to them and tell them to sit down and shut up, then it's a T to the bench indirect to HC.

Here in Wisconsin, they use two officials through the regional semifinal, and then three for sectionals and state.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Here in Wisconsin, they use two officials through the regional semifinal, and then three for sectionals and state.

Wow. No thanks.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

2 man crew for playoffs??? Weird.

I'm in agreement with others who have posted. TOO much yapping between officials and bench personnel.

Talk to the HC and only the HC. Tell him to get his bench under control. If he doesn't immediately turn to them and tell them to sit down and shut up, then it's a T to the bench indirect to HC.

Did you not read the thread? My post above clearly mentioned that this was a regular season game.