I'll be Seeing These Guys Tomorrow

[stiffler3492]

Broadcasting, not officiating. Should be fun...

Referees and Grafton coaching staff confrontation during Wisconsin high school basketball game - YouTube

[pfan1981]

I always was sort of envious of officials that get to work the playoffs.....maybe not so much anymore .

Good luck man,

[VaTerp]

I give them credit for trying to take care of business but why so much conversation with so many of the assistant coaches? I had to watch twice just to figure out the guy with the suit on was the HC.

They should have only been addressing the HC, especially after sticking his bench.

And it looks like someone from GM of the home team gets involved with the visiting bench. That really shouldnt be happening unless he's asked to do so.

And FWIW, I think the kid definitely got fouled on the shot. Tough to see in 2-man but he got hit.

[Bad Zebra]

Wow. Was game management involved in that mess? Way too much discussion with the bench by the officials...and holy cr@p! How many assistants were on that bench? Looked like they had more coaches than players.

If you're going to whack 'em...do it and move on. This looked like a nightmare in the making.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Wow. Was game management involved in that mess? Way too much discussion with the bench by the officials...and holy cr@p! How many assistants were on that bench? Looked like they had more coaches than players.

If you're going to whack 'em...do it and move on. This looked like a nightmare in the making.

I had the same thought about the number of coaches on that bench! Good grief.

And no clue why at least one of those assistant coaches wasn't tossed. Possibly even two or three.

And also no clue why the two refs stuck around that bench area for so long. The young looking guy with the "Sit down now!" repeated three or four times really cracked me up.

[OrStBballRef]

Agree with most of what has already been said here, but what I'm curious about is which AC got the T (video cuts away)....reason I'm asking is if it's the one who I think got it, it looks like he was in the huddle(s) when the officials were talking to the HC.

Going into the throng of players and coaches there at the end of the quarter to talk to the AC....bad.

Continuing to talk to AC/HC combo (I too took awhile to realize the person in the suit was the HC) even worse.

In that situation best to let the HC know that before any conversation takes place that he needs to get his bench under control. Then we can have a conversation...

I'd be curious to know if bench decorum had been dealt with before this sequence of events...2 minutes in a youtube clip just doesn't explain show what happened before (and I'd bet this was going on prior to this play)...

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by OrStBballRef

Agree with most of what has already been said here, but what I'm curious about is which AC got the T (video cuts away)....reason I'm asking is if it's the one who I think got it, it looks like he was in the huddle(s) when the officials were talking to the HC.

Going into the throng of players and coaches there at the end of the quarter to talk to the AC....bad.

Continuing to talk to AC/HC combo (I too took awhile to realize the person in the suit was the HC) even worse.

In that situation best to let the HC know that before any conversation takes place that he needs to get his bench under control. Then we can have a conversation...

I'd be curious to know if bench decorum had been dealt with before this sequence of events...2 minutes in a youtube clip just doesn't explain show what happened before (and I'd bet this was going on prior to this play)...

+1

Especially the bolded.

[zm1283]

+1 on everything that has been said. This is waaaay too much interaction with the assistants. I wouldn't entertain the HC at all unless the howler monkeys were under control first. Chances are, with the way they were acting, at least one of them wouldn't be around very long anyway.

[JetMetFan]

Seriously, what was there to explain for that long while in the team's bench area? "Coach, assistant #X picked up the T for complaining and it needs to stop." Heck, I doubt I'd even say that much.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Wow. Was game management involved in that mess? Way too much discussion with the bench by the officials...and holy cr@p! How many assistants were on that bench? Looked like they had more coaches than players.

If you're going to whack 'em...do it and move on. This looked like a nightmare in the making.

In IL, you're allowed 15 team members, and 22 total "bench personnel plus players". The V team often brings the S and F coaches to the playoffs. Since those coaches are used to standing / actively coaching (vs. assisting), it can lead to some interesting dynamics.

[letemplay]

Others have said it...a case of way too many assistants. I'd bet at least a couple are former HC's that, for what ever reason (I'd offer a guess), lost that position and cannot behave benchside like an assistant should.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Broadcasting, not officiating. Should be fun...

Who are you seeing tomorrow? The Grafton team or the officials from this game?
Was this a playoff game?
Does your area have consolation games? The video shows that despite leading 36-35 at the end of 3 qtrs, Grafton scored a whopping 9 points in the fourth and surrendered 20 to lose 55-45.

BTW I don't see the whole scene as that chaotic. It isn't good behavior. It isn't smoothly handled by the crew, but the officials don't seem to lose composure. Strangely, there is some person, possibly and admin, who comes over behind the bench and chastises the coaches, then gets shooed away. Don't know his role or if he made things better or worse, but doubtful that he is someone for the officials to worry about. I don't believe that he is a coach from the opposing team. I could be mistaken here.

Bottom line: a T was issued, the officials heard some from the staff, it was passed the time to walk away and get on with administering the game.
I wouldn't have any ejections. I've seen far worse behavior from coaches.
By penalizing this and keeping it to only one T and just 2 FTs, the officials seemed to be doing the fair thing for the kids involved.

[Rich]

Apparently this is also a conference that decided to revert to 2-man and most of the experienced officials decided to not work the conference.

Good on them for the technical, but after that there's no reason not to get out of there and go opposite the benches until it's time to shoot the free throws. If an assistant is going to get run, let it happen from a distance.

And this was a regular season game. Some teams have a lot of coaches on the bench. Not in our purview. Also, even if they are head coaches at other levels, there's a seat belt rule in WI for all but varsity head coaches. JV and FR coaches have to sit with the exceptions listed in the rules.

[Nevadaref]

Thanks for the extra info Rich.

[ballgame99]

I can't imagine having this much conversation with anyone other than the HC. If they want to have that many assistants and said assistants want to run their mouths, whack-em-all!! That is just crazy. How they got out of that sequence with just one T is amazing.

BTW, who is the dude in the pullover that comes in at the end? He must have been from the home school by the way they were heckling him. He didn't help matters by being hot headed when he got there.