Clip(s): Kansas v. Iowa State

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Something that makes me grind my teeth since that's NCAAM instruction. In NCAAW that's the C's primary with the L as secondary. Regardless, I don't think you focus on BI/GT with bodies falling all over the place. I also don't think the C had "the T isn't anywhere to be found" in his mind when the play took place. In the grand tradition of "trust your partners," you as the C have to figure the T will catch anything above the rim.

Take a poll. I like the NCAAM instruction -- I want the L taking anything in the lane. The fact that they missed this doesn't make it a bad way of doing it.

[jeschmit]

Originally Posted by Rich

Take a poll. I like the NCAAM instruction -- I want the L taking anything in the lane. The fact that they missed this doesn't make it a bad way of doing it.

I'm with JetMet on this one... However, I understand why NCAAM wants the L to have everything in the paint with there being more of an opportunity for above the rim play. On the women's side, there isn't hardly any play above the rim, so the C has more of an opportunity to referee their primary... including half of the lane.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

I'm with JetMet on this one... However, I understand why NCAAM wants the L to have everything in the paint with there being more of an opportunity for above the rim play. On the women's side, there isn't hardly any play above the rim, so the C has more of an opportunity to referee their primary... including half of the lane.

I would expect all NCAAW officials to like their way of calling it.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Rich

I would expect all NCAAW officials to like their way of calling it.

Not necessarily. There's stuff we do I haven't been thrilled with at times - giong tableside on foul calls, which we did before NCAAM, comes to mind - but having the C as primary on a play like this makes sense to me.

The C in an NCAAW game would've maneuvered themselves to the FTLE to make sure they could see it...an issue I see was brought up in some of the previous posts.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Not necessarily. There's stuff we do I haven't been thrilled with at times - giong tableside on foul calls, which we did before NCAAM, comes to mind - but having the C as primary on a play like this makes sense to me.

The C in an NCAAW game would've maneuvered themselves to the FTLE to make sure they could see it...an issue I see was brought up in some of the previous posts.

The C in a HS game should've done the same thing. The C in an NCAAM game should've done the same thing. You can't pick one thing and say that it's a reflection of NCAAM teaching.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Rich

The C in a HS game should've done the same thing. The C in an NCAAM game should've done the same thing. You can't pick one thing and say that it's a reflection of NCAAM teaching.

Not so much teaching as it is habits. If you don't think you need to look at something there's a chance you won't move to a spot where you could see it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Not so much teaching as it is habits. If you don't think you need to look at something there's a chance you won't move to a spot where you could see it.

Habits by older officials working NCAA-M. You'll see the younger officials getting FTLE.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Not necessarily. There's stuff we do I haven't been thrilled with at times - giong tableside on foul calls, which we did before NCAAM, comes to mind - but having the C as primary on a play like this makes sense to me.

The C in an NCAAW game would've maneuvered themselves to the FTLE to make sure they could see it...an issue I see was brought up in some of the previous posts.

If you watched the UF/Tenn game last night you have seen great examples of officials working a "low" C instead of wandering off towards the 28' line.

[bob jenkins]

I'm "sure" it's two getting discilined because even though T could have saved the crew it wasn't really his call. That is, he could have improved his evaluation by making the call, but doesn't get a poorer evaluation by not making it.

[ballgame99]

PC's don't get much easier than that one. What I don't get is why the L would pass on that much contact, and THEN be quick on the whistile to call the illegal contact on the ISU defender while they are on the floor. If the crew had just swallowed the whistle for the whole sequence it would probably be getting less pub than it is now.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'm "sure" it's two getting discilined because even though T could have saved the crew it wasn't really his call. That is, he could have improved his evaluation by making the call, but doesn't get a poorer evaluation by not making it.

Say the trail had made the call, what would the locker room conversation be like?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If you watched the UF/Tenn game last night you have seen great examples of officials working a "low" C instead of wandering off towards the 28' line.

I don't get people that work a high C. What's the benefit, really? FT line to FT line is only 64 feet and unlike when you're the T, there's no huge hurry to stay in front of the play.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Rich

I don't get people that work a high C. What's the benefit, really? FT line to FT line is only 64 feet and unlike when you're the T, there's no huge hurry to stay in front of the play.

+1

And, IF an official is going to work a "high C", it would be best to at least "step down" on plays that originate from the C's PCA.

[mj]

Originally Posted by Rich

I don't get people that work a high C. What's the benefit, really? FT line to FT line is only 64 feet and unlike when you're the T, there's no huge hurry to stay in front of the play.

Agree here. Because if the L does rotate, I don't know whether or not they know it because they don't need to move at all.

Looks like Tom and Bert will have a date or two open in the next few weeks and will be out of the Big 12 tournament. What else can Shaw do to them?