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[deecee]

This is confusing. He is clearly not asking for a TO and I hate to say it but unless the coach request a TO, I don't take prorated TO requests. I will inform them that I need to see a signal. Then I will issue the TO.

Other than that the T was warranted as these coaches try to play the victim all to often. But all this is avoidable by only calling the TO when it is called.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by deecee

This is confusing. He is clearly not asking for a TO and I hate to say it but unless the coach request a TO, I don't take prorated TO requests. I will inform them that I need to see a signal. Then I will issue the TO.

Other than that the T was warranted as these coaches try to play the victim all to often. But all this is avoidable by only calling the TO when it is called.

That is what we told her in the locker room postgame. I get asked for pre-emptive TOs reguarly but always turn back to them and ask if they still want it. How many times have we had coaches change their mind.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by egj13

That is what we told her in the locker room postgame. I get asked for pre-emptive TOs reguarly but always turn back to them and ask if they still want it. How many times have we had coaches change their mind.

The Old Lead/New Trail should not even be looking for a time-out call during this free throw sequence. There is an official, Old Trail/New Lead, who is standing right there by the coach who can handle any request that may come from the HC.

Originally Posted by deecee

This is confusing. He is clearly not asking for a TO and I hate to say it but unless the coach request a TO, I don't take prorated TO requests. I will inform them that I need to see a signal. Then I will issue the TO.

Originally Posted by egj13

I get asked for pre-emptive TOs reguarly but always turn back to them and ask if they still want it. How many times have we had coaches change their mind.

How prorated or pre-emptive are you talking about? I had a situation where Team A was down 5 points with the ball. I was C, tableside, right in front of Team A's bench. Team A attempted a 3-point try. While it was in midair, Team A coach said to me, "timeout if it goes". Swish, timeout, Team A still lost. Is this something you would do or not?

Another situation in the same game, maybe 10 seconds later. I am still C, still tableside. Team B is attempting a frontcourt throw-in near the division line opposite the table. I am in front of team B's bench. The Trail across the court starts his five-second count, and Team B coach tells me he wants a timeout if they cannot inbound the ball. As the Trail is counting, Team B coach is counting out loud, "one, two three". He got to four and almost asked me for it, but his team got the ball in.

I presume doing these things is ok, but are these the prorated or pre-emptive TO's you gentlemen are talking about? If not, what would an example be?

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Question-why do some officials ask for players with 3 or 4 fouls on both sides? Seen it a lot this year.

Perhaps to make sure the players were not DQ'd on a cheap foul?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

How prorated or pre-emptive are you talking about? I had a situation where Team A was down 5 points with the ball. I was C, tableside, right in front of Team A's bench. Team A attempted a 3-point try. While it was in midair, Team A coach said to me, "timeout if it goes". Swish, timeout, Team A still lost. Is this something you would do or not?

Another situation in the same game, maybe 10 seconds later. I am still C, still tableside. Team B is attempting a frontcourt throw-in near the division line opposite the table. I am in front of team B's bench. The Trail across the court starts his five-second count, and Team B coach tells me he wants a timeout if they cannot inbound the ball. As the Trail is counting, Team B coach is counting out loud, "one, two three". He got to four and almost asked me for it, but his team got the ball in.

I presume doing these things is ok, but are these the prorated or pre-emptive TO's you gentlemen are talking about? If not, what would an example be?

Perhaps to make sure the players were not DQ'd on a cheap foul?

Ill look at the coach after the make for confirmation and then I will blow my whistle. I am acknowledging the TO on the make but not blowing my whistle without confirmation.

In the second stitch I would have to hear him actually request a TO.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

How prorated or pre-emptive are you talking about? I had a situation where Team A was down 5 points with the ball. I was C, tableside, right in front of Team A's bench. Team A attempted a 3-point try. While it was in midair, Team A coach said to me, "timeout if it goes". Swish, timeout, Team A still lost. Is this something you would do or not?

Another situation in the same game, maybe 10 seconds later. I am still C, still tableside. Team B is attempting a frontcourt throw-in near the division line opposite the table. I am in front of team B's bench. The Trail across the court starts his five-second count, and Team B coach tells me he wants a timeout if they cannot inbound the ball. As the Trail is counting, Team B coach is counting out loud, "one, two three". He got to four and almost asked me for it, but his team got the ball in.

I presume doing these things is ok, but are these the prorated or pre-emptive TO's you gentlemen are talking about? If not, what would an example be?



Perhaps to make sure the players were not DQ'd on a cheap foul?

I would grant the first but not the second without visual confirmation first.

Originally Posted by egj13

I would grant the first but not the second without visual confirmation first.

Me too. The second one was meant to prep me in case his team could not inbound the ball. Like "hey, be aware I am calling timeout if we can't get the ball in". I would certainly not want to be in a situation where my partner calls a 5-second violation on the inbound, and I come over and say "well, the coach wanted a TO before the violation, so no violation". That will never happen, believe me.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

Me too. The second one was meant to prep me in case his team could not inbound the ball. Like "hey, be aware I am calling timeout if we can't get the ball in". I would certainly not want to be in a situation where my partner calls a 5-second violation on the inbound, and I come over and say "well, the coach wanted a TO before the violation, so no violation". That will never happen, believe me.

I've had a couple of games this year where someone in the crew came in and said "Hey, we have a time-out before the violation". It was no big deal.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I've had a couple of games this year where someone in the crew came in and said "Hey, we have a time-out before the violation". It was no big deal.

Agreed. It certainly happens.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

While it was in midair, Team A coach said to me, "timeout if it goes". Swish, timeout, Team A still lost. Is this something you would do or not?

This one is not so bad... Not sure I'd do it exactly that way, but in this particular case, if it DOESN'T go, you can't give him a timeout anyway, so he's really just asking for a timeout if he's allowed to have one.

The Trail across the court starts his five-second count, and Team B coach tells me he wants a timeout if they cannot inbound the ball.

NO WAY. No. Never. His "heads up" to you should, at MOST, make you stay aware of him, with an ear peeled toward him. But what if you were to decide, at 3 1/2 seconds, that "they cannot inbound the ball" - and then he does. This one is fraught with problems if you call one before he says it or signals it.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

NO WAY. No. Never. His "heads up" to you should, at MOST, make you stay aware of him, with an ear peeled toward him. But what if you were to decide, at 3 1/2 seconds, that "they cannot inbound the ball" - and then he does. This one is fraught with problems if you call one before he says it or signals it.

Yep. As I said in both posts, it was a heads-up notice. I mentioned "he was about to call it", but his team got the ball in.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I've had a couple of games this year where someone in the crew came in and said "Hey, we have a time-out before the violation". It was no big deal.

Are you talking about a situation where the officials whistled for the timeout before the 5-second violation whistle? I was talking about a situation where no timeout is granted, until the officials conference and say "well, the coach wanted a TO before the violation, so let's give it to him." Like granting a timeout after the fact. FYI: I would never do this, please do not criticize.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

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Are you talking about a situation where the officials whistled for the timeout before the 5-second violation whistle? I was talking about a situation where no timeout is granted, until the officials conference and say "well, the coach wanted a TO before the violation, so let's give it to him." Like granting a timeout after the fact. FYI: I would never do this, please do not criticize.

Just re-read your post. I've never even had a coach make such a request.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Just re-read your post. I've never even had a coach make such a request.

Here's the essence of what I said: I hope I never have to deal with a situation where an official calls a timeout for a coach. I can see a coach saying "hey, grant me a timeout before the 5-second throw-in violation", and then the official calling it for the coach.

[KevinP]

When granting the TO after the made FT did anyone look towards coach, make eye contact, ask 30 or 60 coach? We've got to be sure that whoever called the TO knows it to avoid a conflict. The Technical was definitely warranted.