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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:16am
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Real mess up????

Foul called and Team A is in the bonus. While shooting the FT ont Ref gives the one and one signal and the other one puts up two fingers for two shots. Player misses the shot and Defense gets the rebound. There is confusion as the players are standing there and one coach is yelling for two shots and the other one saying one and one. Regeree at the table blows the play dead. What is correct Arrow or POI?????????
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:24am
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Who said what?

What did official administering the free throw inform the players prior to the attempt? What is the POI? That will help inform the answer.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:27am
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One at lead said one and one and the outside official held up 2 fingers.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:32am
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One at lead said one and one and the outside official held up 2 fingers.
I think referee99 was asking you in the sense of "teaching you to fish."

So, were there supposed to be 2 shots (or 1-1)? Have you cheked out case 8.6.1?
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:35am
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:38am
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What is correct Arrow or POI?????????
The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:52am
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It should have been one and one. My rule bok is at home.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:54am
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It should have been one and one. My rule bok is at home.
If "all" went for the rebound, then the whistle by trail was an IW. resume as after any IW.

If "one" went for the rebound, then it was an official's mistake. Treat it as an IW when the ball was in the air on the try.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:08pm
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Two things:

As Welpe pointed out, the AP and POI aren't exclusive. The point of interruption includes using the arrow in certain situations.

Second, this play is covered in case book play 8.6.1.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:34pm
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Does 8.6.1. really cover this?

I understand your reference to this casebook play. You were using situation C. But in the op he0said the defense rebounded the ball. That could be one player stepping in and rebounding while everybody stands still then starts looking around. You would need to know if all or several from both teams agressively rebounded. From the info provided especially if lead administering FT made mistake I would go with AP. But I was not there
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:41pm
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I understand your reference to this casebook play. You were using situation C. But in the op he0said the defense rebounded the ball. That could be one player stepping in and rebounding while everybody stands still then starts looking around. You would need to know if all or several from both teams agressively rebounded. From the info provided especially if lead administering FT made mistake I would go with AP. But I was not there
Umm...8.6.1 (there is no 8.6.1 Situation C) covers this exact play. The OP would just have to decide whether to one/both teams were disadvantaged by the wrong information or if neither tam was and go from there.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:45pm
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Clarification!

I was making reference to the comment with the IW. The person with the reference to 8.6.1 was dead on. Good job!

Last edited by rawhi1; Fri Feb 22, 2013 at 02:23pm. Reason: left off word on.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:54pm
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8.6.1

I misspoke. But there is an 8.6.1 a,b,and c. I made reference to C not situation. That should have been understood if you actually read it.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:54pm
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That should have been understood if you actually read it.
Quite frankly, I have no idea what you've been saying these past few posts.
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 01:55pm
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I was making reference to the comment with the IW. The person with the reference to 8.6.1 was dead. Good job!
I'm the only one who mentioned IW, I think. I stand by my post.
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