Indiana v. Michigan State Clips

[APG]

Asked to post these plays:

Handcheck then elbow:



Blocking foul and 1:



Foul on 3 point try:

[HawkeyeCubP]

Thanks APG.

#2 = yuck.

[Camron Rust]

#1. That is a pretty weak foul to call. It clearly didn't reroute, impede, displace, or dislodge and offensive player was left with essentially an undefended layup.

#2. Good block. Defender was jumping towards the shooter at the time of contact.

#3. I do not like the foul call at all. I don't see anything that defender did wrong short of not getting out of the way.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

#1. That is a pretty weak foul to call. It clearly didn't reroute, impede, displace, or dislodge and offensive player was left with essentially and undefended layup.

#2. Good block. Defender was jumping towards the shooter at the time of contact.

#3. I do not like the foul call at all. I don't see anything that defender did wrong short of not getting out of the way.

I'm with you on 1 and 2. On 3 I simply don't have any kind of an angle. Give me the T's angle and I'll have an opinion.

[JugglingReferee]

1. How was A disadvantaged? If they call the handcheck, and the elbow gets called upon review, it looks like we have a double foul of sorts.

2. Looks close. I think B went forward slightly = block.

3. I have nothing on this. If I had the T's angle, I hope I didn't see something that only he saw.

[OKREF]

I agree that it is a block in 2. However the basket was counted
Does anyone agree that the basket should count?

[KevinP]

Originally Posted by KevinP

The ref came out with a block call and then changed it to PC.

Block call. I had PC w shoulder lowered by Zeller.

[APG]

Originally Posted by KevinP

Block call. I had PC w shoulder lowered by Zeller.

Lowered shoulder? Is there some magical degree where when the shoulder is lower than that, it equals a foul on that player?

[rickman5]

I'm still not sold number 2 is a block. What did the defender do wrong? He established legal guarding position and moved laterally to maintain it. The offensive player created the contact. Definitely shouldn't have been scored, regardless.

[Rich]

Eh, I have no problem counting the bucket in #2 on a blocking foul. Shrug.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by Rich

Eh, I have no problem counting the bucket in #2 on a blocking foul. Shrug.

So you're saying that you don't have a travel on A1 or are you ignoring the travel violation due to the contact on the blocking foul?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

So you're saying that you don't have a travel on A1 or are you ignoring the travel violation due to the contact on the blocking foul?

I'm not saying *I'd* necessarily count it. It's not the travel that catches my eye here, but the fact that the player regathers.

The problem is that once there's going to be a foul, Valentine is officiating the contact -- he's probably not even seeing the feet then -- I doubt he gets a travel after the foul.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by rickman5

I'm still not sold number 2 is a block. What did the defender do wrong? He established legal guarding position and moved laterally to maintain it. The offensive player created the contact. Definitely shouldn't have been scored, regardless.

I'm with you on this one.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

I'm with you on this one.

To me, he jumped and closed distance on the player with the ball. It's really, really close, though, and I'm not making a big deal out of it being called either way. Some calls are close enough that it really can be called either way on the floor.

BTW, I can't believe not a single person corrected the OP, who posted the thread as Indiana vs. Michigan. This group is slipping (I've edited the title).

[Tio]

Is it just me or does the official point at the player on the ground in play #1 who took an elbow? The gesture looks a bit antagonistic.