Whoops...

[RookieDude]

Loose ball...players scrambling...tie up...whistle...AP.

A1 pushes B1...R gives T to A1...as R is reporting...A1 goes after B1 yelling that he is going to get him...U1 seperates (but does not blow whistle for a T)...U1 goes to R and tells him to upgrade to second T and ejection...R says "are you sure we want to eject A1?"...U1 is adamant and says "YES"...

They decide to eject A1 and U1 goes to administer the FT's...

U1 looks up and sees 10 fouls on board for team A...U1 forgets that it was an AP that started all this...and puts up 2 fingers for B2 who is at the line...

B2 misses first FT and makes second FT...B2 stays at line to shoot the next FT's (4 more shots, in U1's mind, for the two technical fouls on A1)

B2 makes the next 3 FT's... A Coach says, "why is B2 shooting an extra FT"...

Officials now realize that U1 gave B2 an extra FT and stops U1 from administering another FT...

B2 had 5 shots and made 4...

Whatta ya got?

[just another ref]

First two free throws were not merited. Take one point off the board, award one more T free throw, then throw-in at division line.

[JetMetFan]

If I understand this all correctly, why would the first two FTs have been unmerited?

Team B had 4 FTs coming its way for the two Ts. Take the result of the first four FTs, eliminate the result of #5, give Team B the ball at the division line and the AP arrow stays where it was before all the craziness began.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

If I understand this all correctly, why would the first two FTs have been unmerited?

Team B had 4 FTs coming its way for the two Ts. Take the result of the first four FTs, eliminate the result of #5, give Team B the ball at the division line and the AP arrow stays where it was before all the craziness began.

Change it around a bit: A1 goes up for a shot, is fouled and misses the shot and is awarded 2 shots. After the foul, during the dead ball, B1 pushes A2 for a T. The officials erroneously allow A2 to shoot all four FTs. the first 2 go in the second 2 miss. The officials realize their error. Then what do you have?
Here is a hint: I agree with Just another ref.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by just another ref

First two free throws were not merited. Take one point off the board, award one more T free throw, then throw-in at division line.

...and that, my friend, is why I win the refreshment at our next outing!

That is exactly how I explained this situation...some disagreed with me, and some (the crew that it happened to) decided they should have taken away the first two shots no matter made or missed...and shot one more FT.

Correctable error. Seems simple enough.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Change it around a bit: A1 goes up for a shot, is fouled and misses the shot and is awarded 2 shots. After the foul, during the dead ball, B1 pushes A2 for a T. The officials erroneously allow A2 to shoot all four FTs. the first 2 go in the second 2 miss. The officials realize their error. Then what do you have?
Here is a hint: I agree with Just another ref.

Take away A2's first two FT's...allow A1 to shoot two FT's.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...and that, my friend, is why I win the refreshment at our next outing!

That is exactly how I explained this situation...some disagreed with me, and some (the crew that it happened to) decided they should have taken away the first two shots no matter made or missed...and shot one more FT.

Correctable error. Seems simple enough.

We had a thread very similar to this very recently.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

If I understand this all correctly, why would the first two FTs have been unmerited?

Team B had 4 FTs coming its way for the two Ts. Take the result of the first four FTs, eliminate the result of #5, give Team B the ball at the division line and the AP arrow stays where it was before all the craziness began.

That is exactly how the crew handled it...

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by just another ref

We had a thread very similar to this very recently.

Well, I guess some officials should just spend more time on this forum...

...or in the rule book!

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Well, I guess some officials should just spend more time on this forum...

...or in the rule book!

There was disagreement here, too.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

There was disagreement here, too.

There was, but some of those in disagreement ultimately came around.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Change it around a bit: A1 goes up for a shot, is fouled and misses the shot and is awarded 2 shots. After the foul, during the dead ball, B1 pushes A2 for a T. The officials erroneously allow A2 to shoot all four FTs. the first 2 go in the second 2 miss. The officials realize their error. Then what do you have?
Here is a hint: I agree with Just another ref.

This is different than the OP since the sequence you describe begins with a shooting foul for one player but another takes his shots, as opposed to the held ball situation. In your scenario of course you wipe the first two since A1 was supposed to take them.

Unless I'm just not computing things properly because I'm really tired, the only fouls in the OP were dead-ball contact Ts which means anyone can take them. B2 got the four FTs he/his team was supposed to get within those first four shots.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

This is different than the OP since the sequence you describe begins with a shooting foul for one player but another takes his shots, as opposed to the held ball situation. In your scenario of course you wipe the first two since A1 was supposed to take them.

Unless I'm just not computing things properly because I'm really tired, the only fouls in the OP were dead-ball contact Ts which means anyone can take them. B2 got the four FTs he/his team was supposed to get within those first four shots.

They may have but the what-if involving a different shooter reveals the fact that the first shots were the ones awarded for a foul that wasn't committed and are the ones to be corrected.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

B2 got the four FTs he/his team was supposed to get within those first four shots.

...yes, but you shoot the FT's in the order they happened.

Since U1 gave two unmerited FT's...you must correct that and take them away...then give one more FT for the 4th Technical FT that has not been shot yet.

I'm tired also...

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

They may have but the what-if involving a different shooter reveals the fact that the first shots were the ones awarded for a foul that wasn't committed and are the ones to be corrected.

Okay. I wasn't processing the whole "U1 thought..." part of the equation. The joys of hindsight since I knew from reading the OP that there wasn't a foul at the start of the whole mess.