Intentional trip

[maven]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

I think the title of the post says it all--intentional trip. I'm not reaching for a flagrant.

What would he have to do for you to call a flagrant foul, draw blood? Break a bone?

From the definition of flagrant fouls (4-19-4): "If personal, it involves, but is not limited to violent contact such as: striking, kicking and kneeing." Deliberately tripping an opponent on the way to the basket could certainly count.

In baseball, one of the criteria of malicious contact is intent to injure. That's not a bad rule of thumb for distinguishing mere intentional fouls from flagrant fouls.

But the question I have for Rich is: did it occur to you that the swing-and-miss might constitute fighting? It seems to satisfy 4-18-1.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by maven

What would he have to do for you to call a flagrant foul, draw blood? Break a bone?

Something a lot worse than an intentional trip in this fashion.

Originally Posted by maven

But the question I have for Rich is: did it occur to you that the swing-and-miss might constitute fighting? It seems to satisfy 4-18-1.

Really? Fighting? Are you serious?

[maven]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Something a lot worse than an intentional trip in this fashion.

Define "worse" as you're using it, and relate it to the definition of flagrant foul.

Originally Posted by Smitty

Really? Fighting? Are you serious?

Did you read the question?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by maven

Define "worse" as you're using it, and relate it to the definition of flagrant foul.

In my opinion it doesn't meet the definition of a flagrant foul. By definition of the thread it's an intentional foul. I said I thought a push in the back during a layup is worse and that's intentional most of the time.

Originally Posted by maven

Did you read the question?

Yes, which is why I was so incredulous.

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by maven

What would he have to do for you to call a flagrant foul, draw blood? Break a bone?

From the definition of flagrant fouls (4-19-4): "If personal, it involves, but is not limited to violent contact such as: striking, kicking and kneeing."

What he'd have to do for me to call a flagrant is "violent contact such as: striking, kicking and kneeing." Reaching out to grab a kid to intentionally foul him to stop a drive is not on the same level IMHO. But I'd have to see it, and it could also depend on the game dynamics.