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I've had this happen and called intentional. What was your rationale for going straight to flagrant? I don't see this as worse than a push in the back on a layup (that I've also called intentional).
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I think the title of the post says it all--intentional trip. I'm not reaching for a flagrant.
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I'd definitely consider flagrant.
If a player intentionally fouls someone when they are in a severe disadvantageous position, and the effect is egregious, they need to be highly accountable for their action(s). To me, it's an INT at minimum, and something obvious would need to sell me on the flagrant. If a previous foul by this player of a similar nature occurred, or it is clear that his intent was to foul in a way that results in an injury, for starters.
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From the definition of flagrant fouls (4-19-4): "If personal, it involves, but is not limited to violent contact such as: striking, kicking and kneeing." Deliberately tripping an opponent on the way to the basket could certainly count. In baseball, one of the criteria of malicious contact is intent to injure. That's not a bad rule of thumb for distinguishing mere intentional fouls from flagrant fouls. But the question I have for Rich is: did it occur to you that the swing-and-miss might constitute fighting? It seems to satisfy 4-18-1.
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What he'd have to do for me to call a flagrant is "violent contact such as: striking, kicking and kneeing." Reaching out to grab a kid to intentionally foul him to stop a drive is not on the same level IMHO. But I'd have to see it, and it could also depend on the game dynamics.
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Define "worse" as you're using it, and relate it to the definition of flagrant foul.
Did you read the question?
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Without seeing the play, I can't imagine calling a flagrant on this play. Rich doesn't go there lightly, though, so I am guessing I'm picturing the play differently than it happened.
Like a push in the back, I'm stopping at intentional most of the time, and only going flagrant if it's exceptionally vicious (a leg whip, for example). I would say that if a successful trip or push looks flagrant, then an unsuccessful attempt should at least be a technical foul.
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