Playoff conversation???

[JRutledge]

I have another question for everyone.

We have 4 levels of playoffs. Regionals, Sectionals, Super-Sectionals and State Finals.

Regionals and Sectionals have a Championship game. The Super-Sectional is one game at usually a college site or bigger high school gym. And the State Finals include the semifinals and the finals of a particular class.

Now for us in Illinois to work all the way to the State Finals, we have to work a championship at each level before getting state that season. We do not just get assigned a Sectional Final for example than then miss the Super-Sectional and work State.

Is that similar to other areas or can you work the State Finals without working other levels in that season? Also to advance to a Sectional for example, you have to had previous years of working Regional Finals to get to the Sectional level. Is that also similar or different?

Peace

[JerryLundagard]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have another question for everyone.

We have 4 levels of playoffs. Regionals, Sectionals, Super-Sectionals and State Finals.

Regionals and Sectionals have a Championship game. The Super-Sectional is one game at usually a college site or bigger high school gym. And the State Finals include the semifinals and the finals of a particular class.

Now for us in Illinois to work all the way to the State Finals, we have to work a championship at each level before getting state that season. We do not just get assigned a Sectional Final for example than then miss the Super-Sectional and work State.

Is that similar to other areas or can you work the State Finals without working other levels in that season? Also to advance to a Sectional for example, you have to had previous years of working Regional Finals to get to the Sectional level. Is that also similar or different?

Peace

In Missouri we have four levels; District, Sectional, Quarterfinal and State Finals. Only the district and State Finals have a championship game. The other two levels are single games.

There is no progression that is consistently followed. You do not have to work a District Championship game to work a sectional game, nor do you have to work a sectional game to work a quarterfinal game. The norm is an official usually works a sectional game or a quarterfinal game but not both. There are of course exceptions at times.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JerryLundagard

In Missouri we have four levels; District, Sectional, Quarterfinal and State Finals. Only the district and State Finals have a championship game. The other two levels are single games.

There is no progression that is consistently followed. You do not have to work a District Championship game to work a sectional game, nor do you have to work a sectional game to work a quarterfinal game. The norm is an official usually works a sectional game or a quarterfinal game but not both. There are of course exceptions at times.

There are quite a few people in our area that work both a sectional and quarterfinal in the same year. I don't know exactly how many, but I have talked to several who are doing both. Now one may be a Class 1 boys sectional next week and then a Class 4 girls quarterfinal the week after. There are some others who will work two sectionals, but one is a smaller class game and the other a larger class game the next week.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

There are quite a few people in our area that work both a sectional and quarterfinal in the same year. I don't know exactly how many, but I have talked to several who are doing both. Now one may be a Class 1 boys sectional next week and then a Class 4 girls quarterfinal the week after. There are some others who will work two sectionals, but one is a smaller class game and the other a larger class game the next week.

I was referring more about the same playoffs, not two different genders. We have people that work both genders (not that many in my area) but there are a few. Usually not practical for all as the tournaments cross over each other. You are almost forced to pick if you want to go deep into one of the playoffs.

Peace

[JerryLundagard]

Originally Posted by zm1283

There are quite a few people in our area that work both a sectional and quarterfinal in the same year. I don't know exactly how many, but I have talked to several who are doing both. Now one may be a Class 1 boys sectional next week and then a Class 4 girls quarterfinal the week after. There are some others who will work two sectionals, but one is a smaller class game and the other a larger class game the next week.

Not the case in the St. Louis area. Possibly because of the number of officials that are available. Unless they make it to the finals most officials get one assignment past the district level.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have another question for everyone.

We have 4 levels of playoffs. Regionals, Sectionals, Super-Sectionals and State Finals.

Regionals and Sectionals have a Championship game. The Super-Sectional is one game at usually a college site or bigger high school gym. And the State Finals include the semifinals and the finals of a particular class.

Now for us in Illinois to work all the way to the State Finals, we have to work a championship at each level before getting state that season. We do not just get assigned a Sectional Final for example than then miss the Super-Sectional and work State.

Is that similar to other areas or can you work the State Finals without working other levels in that season? Also to advance to a Sectional for example, you have to had previous years of working Regional Finals to get to the Sectional level. Is that also similar or different?

Peace

Not here in VA. Like VA Terp said we have 3 level of play-offs--Districts, Regionals, States. They are all assigned independent of what you worked in other rounds. We have 5 classes: A (D1), A (D2), AA (D3), AA (D4), AAA.

In 2010 I worked all 3 rounds (Quarter, Semi, Final) of the AA (D3 & D4) regionals but found out I was not qualified for the State tournament because of the camp requirement. I crew-chiefed a AA (D4) Boys State Quarterfinal in 2011 but I did not work any other AA games that season because my board had lost its AA conference. I still had not attended the camp (long story involving an ousted commissioner and what is now a political split of officials in the area) but got my assignment through a recommendation by someone the VHSL director trusted and respected. In 2012 my board only had 1 public school (Single A) and folks in our association were allowed to work through the regionals but we were shut out of the State tournament.

If not for the political split and my home board losing all its public school contracts I'm quite confident I would have worked a Final Four game in Richmond last year and/or this year.

So I am one official who can legitimately claim that politics has affected me at the State level, both negatively and positively.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Not here in VA. Like VA Terp said we have 3 level of play-offs--Districts, Regionals, States. They are all assigned independent of what you worked in other rounds. We have 5 classes: A (D1), A (D2), AA (D3), AA (D4), AAA.

In 2010 I worked all 3 rounds (Quarter, Semi, Final) of the AA (D3 & D4) regionals but found out I was not qualified for the State tournament because of the camp requirement. I crew-chiefed a AA (D4) Boys State Quarterfinal in 2011 but I did not work any other AA games that season because my board had lost its AA conference. I still had not attended the camp (long story involving an ousted commissioner and what is now a political split of officials in the area) but got my assignment through a recommendation by someone the VHSL director trusted and respected. In 2012 my board only had 1 public school (Single A) and folks in our association were allowed to work through the regionals but we were shut out of the State tournament.

If not for the political split and my home board losing all its public school contracts I'm quite confident I would have worked a Final Four game in Richmond last year and/or this year.

So I am one official who can legitimately claim that politics has affected me at the State level, both negatively and positively.

So is there the same talk there about the Eval camp being mandatory for state tournament selection? I think it's going to be hard to implement for various reasons but maybe I'm wrong. Sounds like some are already saying it's a requirement.

And too bad about the local politics. Hope that gets resolved and maybe I will get to see you or work with you at Seigel Center soon.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

So is there the same talk there about the Eval camp being mandatory for state tournament selection? I think it's going to be hard to implement for various reasons but maybe I'm wrong. Sounds like some are already saying it's a requirement.

And too bad about the local politics. Hope that gets resolved and maybe I will get to see you or work with you at Seigel Center soon.

Thanks.

The supposed requirement as I've heard it stands now is that to be eligible you have to have either attended the eval camp or worked in the state tourney previously. But there seems to be no real enforcement as of yet as evidenced by the fact that I did a state game based on an outside recommendation.

I'm confident I'll get there one day. It's a goal I set for myself after my first or second year officiating.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

So is there the same talk there about the Eval camp being mandatory for state tournament selection? I think it's going to be hard to implement for various reasons but maybe I'm wrong. Sounds like some are already saying it's a requirement.

And too bad about the local politics. Hope that gets resolved and maybe I will get to see you or work with you at Seigel Center soon.

Will you be there next week? I'm working as a host for the officials on Monday PM and Wednesday AM. BNR and others would/will receive special treatment any time. I'll add you to my list.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Lcubed48

Will you be there next week? I'm working as a host for the officials on Monday PM and Wednesday AM. BNR and others would/will receive special treatment any time. I'll add you to my list.

Yes, and thanks!

I'll be there watching on Monday and working the 3pm game on Tuesday.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Yes, and thanks!

I'll be there watching on Monday and working the 3pm game on Tuesday.

Congrats on the assignment. PM me for contact information. On Monday, I'll be hosting for 2 afternoon contests, and spectating for the 2 evening games.