Playoff conversation???

[Indianaref]

This year Indiana has changed from the 100% coaches vote to 50% vote. The other 50% is made up of previous tournament experience, years of licensure, number of contests worked, test score (part II) and Association attendace.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

This year Indiana has changed from the 100% coaches vote to 50% vote. The other 50% is made up of previous tournament experience, years of licensure, number of contests worked, test score (part II) and Association attendace.

As Indianaref says, at least we have a little control over our rating now. Now that assignments are out for both girls and boys, I don't think it had much of an impact on most officials. Most of us scored equally on our portion and the coach's vote is still what makes the difference.

As far conversation, once the first assignments are made, we can pretty much pick the field for the rest of the tournament. An official in the central part of the state puts together a spread sheet showing all 384 officials selected for the post season tourney. That is of great interest and creates a lot of conversation. It is only distributed to the 384 officials who have been selected but the ratings are a great discussion.

[Camron Rust]

The fact is that when there are 10 spots to be filled, there will be 100 officials that think they should be in those 10 spots. The 10 in those spots just might be the wrong 10 but that still leaves room for only 10 others....the other 80 will still think they should be in there but will be wrong.

They'll still complain about not getting it for whatever reason but in the end, most of those that complain are just not as good as the ones who get the assignments. They might be "good enough" for many of the games they do, but, they'll remain oblivious to why they didn't get in and will blame it on politics or whatever and never look in the mirror to see what it is that they could do to improve their chances. The first step to getting in is figuring out where it is that you fall short and doing something to address it.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The fact is that when there are 10 spots to be filled, there will be 100 officials that think they should be in those 10 spots. The 10 in those spots just might be the wrong 10 but that still leaves room for only 10 others....the other 80 will still think they should be in there but will be wrong.

They'll still complain about not getting it for whatever reason but in the end, most of those that complain are just not as good as the ones who get the assignments. They might be "good enough" for many of the games they do, but, they'll remain oblivious to why they didn't get in and will blame it on politics or whatever and never look in the mirror to see what it is that they could do to improve their chances. The first step to getting in is figuring out where it is that you fall short and doing something to address it.

At the high school level, I firmly believe this depends on where you live and how playoff assignments are made and who makes them.

[canuckrefguy]

Where I am, schools and coaches have zero input into which officials work playoff games - of any kind. There is a small amount of input at the university level, I believe, but ultimately the decisions are made by assignors with input from observers and evaluators.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by zm1283

At the high school level, I firmly believe this depends on where you live and how playoff assignments are made and who makes them.

I doubt it very much. The systems may vary but there will always be officials left out that think they deserve to be in. The numbers may vary from place to place but the situation will be the same.

And it is not necessarily a bad thing. It is a competitive environment and comparisons and goals are to be expected. It occurs at every level in every sport all around the world. Some people, however, choose to cause trouble over it and others choose to worry about what they can control and let the rest go as it will go.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I doubt it very much. The systems may vary but there will always be officials left out that think they deserve to be in. The numbers may vary from place to place but the situation will be the same.

And it is not necessarily a bad thing. It is a competitive environment and comparisons and goals are to be expected. It occurs at every level in every sport all around the world. Some people, however, choose to cause trouble over it and others choose to worry about what they can control and let the rest go as it will go.

You are right, I have not heard any system that someone does not complain about. We have no coaches making the decision and officials here complain about every aspect. Honestly what I have found is those that work hard, work different places and are highly regarded get the assignments and go further in the playoffs. Not that that is the only thing, but many who complain do very little and think they deserve a spot.

Peace

[Raymond]

I have 3 play-off games this week, all within 15 minutes of my house

[tomegun]

In my area coaches don't vote and we do not have a master list. Crew Chiefs recommend up to 10 officials (10 crews) for playoffs - I did NOT recommend 10 officials. The first week, playoffs are assigned from that list of officials. We call that regionals (used to be called zone). The next week (this week), is our state tournament. We play a final four in four classes. Our state tournament rotates between Las Vegas and Reno. Due to budget, our three main associations (that is all we have in the state for the most part) send a certain amount of officials to state. When it is local (it is in Las Vegas this year), many more officials get games.

Our Commissioner leads a very small group of individuals that discuss state assignments. It is a subjective process.

It seems to me like it would be a compromise to allow coaches to have a vote in playoff officials. I think every system has some sort of compromise, but allowing the coaches to vote would seemingly cause some officials to act differently during the season...some officials.