More Block/PC plays from CA...3 of them

[Tio]

Pregame contract should include that we commit as a crew to have a foul on all block charge plays with 2-players on the floor.

Frankly, in play #1, I am not sure what the lead is refereeing. THE play on the court is the drive to the rim. Now, I am not an expert in 2-man mechanics, but I would think he has responsibility on the secondary defender, then on rebounding action. Either way, he shouldn't be blind to the drive refereeing action on the 3-point arc.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Tio

Pregame contract should include that we commit as a crew to have a foul on all block charge plays with 2-players on the floor.

Good guideline, but not a committment.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Tio

Pregame contract should include that we commit as a crew to have a foul on all block charge plays with 2-players on the floor.

I really dislike this statement and disagree when it is brought up in pre-games.

There are times when 2 players end up on the floor and neither has done anything illegal. We should not be calling a foul just because of this.

If we referee the defense and see the entire play then we should be able to have high accuracy on block/charges and not just have a whistle because it "has to be something."

A better phrase IMO is, "if we have bodies on the floor we should either have a whistle or be able to explain how they got there."

[Tio]

Point taken... I am not one for dealing in absolutes normally (unless mandated by the rules: see the NCAA absolutes from 2-3 years ago).

On a block/charge play if you have 2 guys on the floor, it is HIGHLY likely that there is a foul. Not to mention the safety hazard that is created with bodies on the floor in the paint.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Tio

Point taken... I am not one for dealing in absolutes normally (unless mandated by the rules: see the NCAA absolutes from 2-3 years ago).

On a block/charge play if you have 2 guys on the floor, it is HIGHLY likely that there is a foul. Not to mention the safety hazard that is created with bodies on the floor in the paint.

I agree.

I just dont like the absolute because I have seen officials use it to put whistles in the game that shouldnt be there or use it as an excuse to basically guess on a block/charge instead of actually refereeing the play.

Maybe its a good guideline for some younger officials who may pass too much on these plays b/c they don't know what to call. But I still think teaching them to referee the defense will work better for them.

I also agree that in play #1 here, the L is basically following the ball and not refereeing his PCA.

[twocentsworth]

1) Charge
2) Charge
3) Charge

IMHO, it's no wonder that the only play that had a whistle is when the drive occurred on Leads' side. It's not only easier to officiate when the Play is coming towards you...but it takes the guess-work out of who should have a whistle.

Lesson: Lead...GET OVER TO BALL-SIDE TO OFFICIATE!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

1) Charge
2) Charge
3) Charge

...!

On the play #2 there is definitely no offensive foul.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

On the play #2 there is definitely no offensive foul.

Agreed...the defender almost flops in a way because the offensive player skirts around him. Not that I would call a flop...just saying

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

On the play #2 there is definitely no offensive foul.

I agree. Defender crumpled too easily from essentially a brush by.

[tjchamp]

1. PC
2. Defenders feet are so wide I may have had a block
3. PC

[Rich]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

1) Charge
2) Charge
3) Charge

IMHO, it's no wonder that the only play that had a whistle is when the drive occurred on Leads' side. It's not only easier to officiate when the Play is coming towards you...but it takes the guess-work out of who should have a whistle.

Lesson: Lead...GET OVER TO BALL-SIDE TO OFFICIATE!

I have no clue how you see (2) as a charge. The guy is already flopping when the driving player reaches him -- the contact, if any, is incidental.

And there's no way to know if the L in (1) had time to get ballside as the video started too late. I did go back and look at this a few times myself as I'd want to be over there if I had a chance -- I don't want a C taking this drive if I can get it as the L.

[#olderthanilook]

Slo mo shows #1 is a block since the offensive player leaves the ground before defense has LGP. BUT, it happened so fast in real time that I'd have gone PC too.

Agree with no call on #2 and PC on #3

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Slo mo shows #1 is a block since the offensive player leaves the ground before defense has LGP.

No he doesn't. His back foot is still on the floor by the time the defender has both feet down.

[Camron Rust]

#1. Block....defender was not in time. He was still moving into the path after the shooter was airborne. He may have gotten his feet down, but that isn't all that is required. Additionally, his torso was still moving towards the shooter all the way to contact.

#2. Nothing

#3. PC

[icallfouls]

#1 - Block
#2 - No Call
#3 - Charge