More Block/PC plays from CA...3 of them

[JetMetFan]

I'm beginning to like these Desert Valley folks. Thoughts on the plays?

[Raymond]

Play #1 is a charge that should have been called.

Play #2 correctly no-called.

Play #3 correctly called a PC.

[JugglingReferee]

I've got a charge, no call, and a PC.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by badnewsref

play #1 is a charge that should have been called.

Play #2 correctly no-called.

Play #3 correctly called a pc.

+1

[Tio]

I give them credit for trying to get better by watching plays & putting their mistakes up for scrutiny (including by this peanut gallery).

Second, I think we need to look at more symptomatic issues versus simple call validation. If you look at the lead positioning and what the officials are refereeing (based on their head position), and what they should have been refereeing with what is happening in the game, you can see why they struggled covering the plays.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Tio

I give them credit for trying to get better by watching plays & putting their mistakes up for scrutiny (including by this peanut gallery).

Second, I think we need to look at more symptomatic issues versus simple call validation. If you look at the lead positioning and what the officials are refereeing (based on their head position), and what they should have been refereeing with what is happening in the game, you can see why they struggled covering the plays.

Agreed. I'm glad videos of my games aren't here.

In the first one, it looks like C is late getting down, and he turns his head with the pass. L is looking across, and also turns. IT's the C's call, though.

[maven]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In the first one, it looks like C is late getting down, and he turns his head with the pass. L is looking across, and also turns. IT's the C's call, though.

Given the other vids from this association, I thought this might be 2-man. But I also saw both turn to watch the ball.

The L seems to process the crash for a second: perhaps he passed on it because his partner did. I'm not sure his partner saw it.

Pre-gaming the pass-and-crash is key.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In the first one, it looks like C is late getting down, and he turns his head with the pass. L is looking across, and also turns. IT's the C's call, though.

I noticed that. While the offensive player is still airborne, it doesn't appear there are any eyes on him and the defender.

Not having three man experience, I understand that the lead in this case is officiating off ball in his PCA but should he have some awareness of the offensive player and potentially reach across and have a whistle there if the C doesn't?

Thanks for posting these JetMetFan, I always need more basketball video to break down.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

1) Block
2) Tough angle here. I'm going to say no call--looks to me like the contact was just glancing based on the angle of the offensive player.
3) Easy PC.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

1) Block
2) Tough angle here. I'm going to say no call--looks to me like the contact was just glancing based on the angle of the offensive player.
3) Easy PC.

I posted before reading the responses. I see I'm alone on #1. My first thought live was a charge. After a couple replays, I think the defender moves both toward the offensive player and to the side after the shooter leaves the ground. It is very close and I could be convinced that I'm wrong.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

I posted before reading the responses. I see I'm alone on #1. My first thought live was a charge. After a couple replays, I think the defender moves both toward the offensive player and to the side after the shooter leaves the ground. It is very close and I could be convinced that I'm wrong.

Either way the play needed a whistle.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

I posted before reading the responses. I see I'm alone on #1.

You aren't alone...On slow-mo I see a block but in real time I believe I too would have called a PC

[Rich]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

I posted before reading the responses. I see I'm alone on #1. My first thought live was a charge. After a couple replays, I think the defender moves both toward the offensive player and to the side after the shooter leaves the ground. It is very close and I could be convinced that I'm wrong.

I agree with those who think we're asking too much of the defender if we're calling this a block.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Rich

I agree with those who think we're asking too much of the defender if we're calling this a block.

I agree with you who agree with those.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I agree with you who agree with those.

Do you agree with those, or just Rich?