More Block/PC plays from CA...3 of them

[twocentsworth]

1) Charge
2) Charge
3) Charge

IMHO, it's no wonder that the only play that had a whistle is when the drive occurred on Leads' side. It's not only easier to officiate when the Play is coming towards you...but it takes the guess-work out of who should have a whistle.

Lesson: Lead...GET OVER TO BALL-SIDE TO OFFICIATE!

[egj13]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I watched again and noticed the L was watching the play. Not sure why he held his whistle there.

I will start this by saying that I know eash association does things a little different.

In our association we try to call very little from the lead position and try to let C and T have strong games and first crack. That being said, L should (in my assoc.) have secondary defender. My wonder is if he was holding his whistle to let C get the call and then just "froze" when C didn't call anything. Either way, something should have been called there and IMPO it should have been the C that made sure. Personally I have been taught that a strong C makes or breaks a crew and in this instance they might have broke it. As C you need to be agressive and "go after" calls as opposed to L where you "wait" for calls. Again, just how I was "raised" to do it.

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

There are times when 2 players end up on the floor and neither has done anything illegal. We should not be calling a foul just because of this.
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A better phrase IMO is, "if we have bodies on the floor we should either have a whistle or be able to explain how they got there."

Had one last night. 7th Grade boys. One player clearly more athletic than everyone else on floor. Had 2 charges called against him, one from my partner, one from me, both times from L during a fast break.

Q3, same player goes to hole, very minor contact, both players go down trying to draw a foul on each other. Explained to both coaches that they were trying to draw the foul with minimal contact. Both were ok with explanation.

[Tio]

I would encourage you to think about the safety hazard that is created with 2 players on the ground in the paint. Players jumping on or over them trying to score the ball. This is a huge safety issue both for players on the ground (getting jumped on) and the players who are jumping (landing on a player and rolling an ankle).

With 2 players on the floor, rarely is a no-call the correct call unless they go to the floor voluntarily to get a loose ball for example.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

1) Charge
2) Charge
3) Charge

...!

On the play #2 there is definitely no offensive foul.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

On the play #2 there is definitely no offensive foul.

Agreed...the defender almost flops in a way because the offensive player skirts around him. Not that I would call a flop...just saying

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

On the play #2 there is definitely no offensive foul.

I agree. Defender crumpled too easily from essentially a brush by.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

1) Block
2) Tough angle here. I'm going to say no call--looks to me like the contact was just glancing based on the angle of the offensive player.
3) Easy PC.

[Tio]

Agree that #2 is a no-call.

Further evidence: watch the offensive player who is jumping to his right (rather that to and through the defender).

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

1) Block
2) Tough angle here. I'm going to say no call--looks to me like the contact was just glancing based on the angle of the offensive player.
3) Easy PC.

I posted before reading the responses. I see I'm alone on #1. My first thought live was a charge. After a couple replays, I think the defender moves both toward the offensive player and to the side after the shooter leaves the ground. It is very close and I could be convinced that I'm wrong.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

I posted before reading the responses. I see I'm alone on #1. My first thought live was a charge. After a couple replays, I think the defender moves both toward the offensive player and to the side after the shooter leaves the ground. It is very close and I could be convinced that I'm wrong.

Either way the play needed a whistle.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

I posted before reading the responses. I see I'm alone on #1.

You aren't alone...On slow-mo I see a block but in real time I believe I too would have called a PC

[#olderthanilook]

Slo mo shows #1 is a block since the offensive player leaves the ground before defense has LGP. BUT, it happened so fast in real time that I'd have gone PC too.

Agree with no call on #2 and PC on #3

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Slo mo shows #1 is a block since the offensive player leaves the ground before defense has LGP.

No he doesn't. His back foot is still on the floor by the time the defender has both feet down.

[Camron Rust]

#1. Block....defender was not in time. He was still moving into the path after the shooter was airborne. He may have gotten his feet down, but that isn't all that is required. Additionally, his torso was still moving towards the shooter all the way to contact.

#2. Nothing

#3. PC