Possession Arrow

[Swany11]

Hello,
Needs some help. Jump ball, possession arrow favors team A. During inbounds pass, team A player moves his feet and is called for traveling before he throws ball inbounds. Team B gets ball.
A few seconds later, another jump ball. Team B is awarded possession.

Shouldn't team A still have the possession arrow after the out of bounds travel? I thought the ball had to be inbounded to change the possession arrow.
Thanks for any help.

[johnny d]

There is no such thing as an out of bounds travel on the person making the throw in. If they left the designated box, that is throw in violation, but not a travel. The team making the throw does lose the arrow when they commit a violation during a throw in.

[Swany11]

Originally Posted by johnny d

There is no such thing as an out of bounds travel on the person making the throw in. If they left the designated box, that is throw in violation, but not a travel. The team making the throw does lose the arrow when they commit a violation during a throw in.

Thanks for the feedback. If there was a foul called on the throw-in team, same thing? They would also lose the arrow?

[johnny d]

nope, they keep the arrow on a foul

[Swany11]

Originally Posted by johnny d

nope, they keep the arrow on a foul

Makes sense. Saw that called correctly earlier this year. Thanks.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Swany11

Hello,
Needs some help. HELD ball, possession arrow favors team A.

Fixed it for ya!

A jump ball only occurs at the beginning of the game and each overtime period.

The arrow changes when the throw-in pass is legally touched or when the throwing team violates.

[JugglingReferee]

Swany:


Here's one for you to consider:

Team A has a throw-in as a result of a held ball. The player inbounds the ball and the first touching after it leaves the thrower's hands is to B's feet in a deliberate kicking motion by a Team B player.

What do you have?

[Swany11]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Swany:


Here's one for you to consider:

Team A has a throw-in as a result of a held ball. The player inbounds the ball and the first touching after it leaves the thrower's hands is to B's feet in a deliberate kicking motion by a Team B player.

What do you have?

I'm guessing shot clock set to either 15/stays same, arrow not switched because throw-in team has not completed inbounds, and since violation was on other team???

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Swany11

Hello,
Needs some help. Jump ball, possession arrow favors team A. During inbounds pass, team A player moves his feet and is called for traveling before he throws ball inbounds. Team B gets ball.
A few seconds later, another jump ball. Team B is awarded possession.

Shouldn't team A still have the possession arrow after the out of bounds travel? I thought the ball had to be inbounded to change the possession arrow.
Thanks for any help.

It's called a "throw-in". Moving more than the prescribed distance allowed is not travelling, it's just a throw-in violation. AP throw-ins end if the throw-in team violates.

I'm guessing you were watching Butler/GW where this occurred in the last 30 seconds against Butler and then there was another held ball and GW received the AP throw-in. Butler did everything it could to give that game away but still managed to win.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

A jump ball only occurs at the beginning of the game and each overtime period ...

... and in Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.'s dreams, every single night.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... and in Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.'s dreams, every single night.

I thought Dick Vitale was channelling MTDSr during the 5OT marathon last night. He was apoplectic about the AP arrow in college basketball.

My first though was this: Oh, it's MUCH better to have a process that gives the ball to the team with taller players / better jumpers.