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Swany11 Sun Feb 10, 2013 09:23am

Possession Arrow
 
Hello,
Needs some help. Jump ball, possession arrow favors team A. During inbounds pass, team A player moves his feet and is called for traveling before he throws ball inbounds. Team B gets ball.
A few seconds later, another jump ball. Team B is awarded possession.

Shouldn't team A still have the possession arrow after the out of bounds travel? I thought the ball had to be inbounded to change the possession arrow.
Thanks for any help.

johnny d Sun Feb 10, 2013 09:30am

There is no such thing as an out of bounds travel on the person making the throw in. If they left the designated box, that is throw in violation, but not a travel. The team making the throw does lose the arrow when they commit a violation during a throw in.

Swany11 Sun Feb 10, 2013 09:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 878192)
There is no such thing as an out of bounds travel on the person making the throw in. If they left the designated box, that is throw in violation, but not a travel. The team making the throw does lose the arrow when they commit a violation during a throw in.

Thanks for the feedback. If there was a foul called on the throw-in team, same thing? They would also lose the arrow?

johnny d Sun Feb 10, 2013 09:37am

nope, they keep the arrow on a foul

Swany11 Sun Feb 10, 2013 09:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 878195)
nope, they keep the arrow on a foul

Makes sense. Saw that called correctly earlier this year. Thanks.

BktBallRef Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swany11 (Post 878191)
Hello,
Needs some help. HELD ball, possession arrow favors team A.

Fixed it for ya!

A jump ball only occurs at the beginning of the game and each overtime period. ;)

The arrow changes when the throw-in pass is legally touched or when the throwing team violates.

JugglingReferee Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:07am

Swany:


Here's one for you to consider:

Team A has a throw-in as a result of a held ball. The player inbounds the ball and the first touching after it leaves the thrower's hands is to B's feet in a deliberate kicking motion by a Team B player.

What do you have?

Swany11 Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 878207)
Swany:


Here's one for you to consider:

Team A has a throw-in as a result of a held ball. The player inbounds the ball and the first touching after it leaves the thrower's hands is to B's feet in a deliberate kicking motion by a Team B player.

What do you have?

I'm guessing shot clock set to either 15/stays same, arrow not switched because throw-in team has not completed inbounds, and since violation was on other team???

Raymond Sun Feb 10, 2013 01:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swany11 (Post 878191)
Hello,
Needs some help. Jump ball, possession arrow favors team A. During inbounds pass, team A player moves his feet and is called for traveling before he throws ball inbounds. Team B gets ball.
A few seconds later, another jump ball. Team B is awarded possession.

Shouldn't team A still have the possession arrow after the out of bounds travel? I thought the ball had to be inbounded to change the possession arrow.
Thanks for any help.

It's called a "throw-in". Moving more than the prescribed distance allowed is not travelling, it's just a throw-in violation. AP throw-ins end if the throw-in team violates.

I'm guessing you were watching Butler/GW where this occurred in the last 30 seconds against Butler and then there was another held ball and GW received the AP throw-in. Butler did everything it could to give that game away but still managed to win.

BillyMac Sun Feb 10, 2013 04:54pm

Dream A Little Dream Of Me ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 878200)
A jump ball only occurs at the beginning of the game and each overtime period ...

... and in Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.'s dreams, every single night.

Rich Sun Feb 10, 2013 05:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 878269)
... and in Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.'s dreams, every single night.

I thought Dick Vitale was channelling MTDSr during the 5OT marathon last night. He was apoplectic about the AP arrow in college basketball.

My first though was this: Oh, it's MUCH better to have a process that gives the ball to the team with taller players / better jumpers.


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