Indirect T and coach to sit

[maroonx]

Saw a game where ref gave team breaking the plane warning and then T for doing it 2nd time. Official assessed Indirect to team and made coach sit. Big argument. No other T issued. Coach said 2 indirect Technicals. 15 minute delay in game.

[bob jenkins]

Unless there's more to the story, it shouldn't have been a T.

Even if it was, it was to a player, so shouldn't be indirect to coach.

Don't know what coach (or OP) meant by "2 indirect Ts".

Whatever the charlie-foxtrot, it shouldn't take 15 minutes to resume.

[junruh07]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Unless there's more to the story, it shouldn't have been a T.

Even if it was, it was to a player, so shouldn't be indirect to coach.

Don't know what coach (or OP) meant by "2 indirect Ts".

Whatever the charlie-foxtrot, it shouldn't take 15 minutes to resume.

That's not quite right I don't think. The OP issued a DOG warning, then a T when it happened again. At least that's how I read it. In any case, the DOG T is issued to the team, not to the player right? It is not charged indirectly to the coach.

[maven]

Originally Posted by junruh07

That's not quite right I don't think. The OP issued a DOG warning, then a T when it happened again. At least that's how I read it. In any case, the DOG T is issued to the team, not to the player right? It is not charged indirectly to the coach.

Agree. Correct, it's a team technical, 10-1-5c, not charged to player or coach (coach not required to sit).

[maroonx]

So how many indirect T's does a coach get before sitting?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by junruh07

That's not quite right I don't think. The OP issued a DOG warning, then a T when it happened again. At least that's how I read it. In any case, the DOG T is issued to the team, not to the player right? It is not charged indirectly to the coach.

My (apparent) mistake. I was thinking it was a FT violation (I had two on the same player yesterday), not during a throw-in.

Originally Posted by maroonx

So how many indirect T's does a coach get before sitting?

What do you think? Why?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

My (apparent) mistake. I was thinking it was a FT violation (I had two on the same player yesterday), not during a throw-in.

And why would that matter?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And why would that matter?

Breaking the plane (lane or 3-point arc, depending) on a FT is a violation, whether done once, twice or a dozen times (unless you think it's that old intentional ploy to get a shooter to make a FT instead of miss).

On a throw-in, it's a warning, and then a T.

I originally had it as the former; the play was really the latter.

[Raymond]

maroonx, are you officiating games this season? If so you really need to get your hands on a rule book.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Breaking the plane (lane or 3-point arc, depending) on a FT is a violation, whether done once, twice or a dozen times (unless you think it's that old intentional ploy to get a shooter to make a FT instead of miss).

On a throw-in, it's a warning, and then a T.

I originally had it as the former; the play was really the latter.

OK, good, It appeared to me that you were suggesting that two DOG violations relating to FTs (huddling) would be a player T. I didn't think you were trying to say that, but I was left wondering.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by maroonx

so how many indirect t's does a coach get before sitting?

1 I think.

[KMBReferee]

Originally Posted by maroonx

So how many indirect T's does a coach get before sitting?

Only one. But indirect technicals on the coach are limited to fouls committed by bench personnel: players, coaches, managers and others that are on the team bench. That also includes players that are warming up during pre-game (the most common technical foul during warmups is dunking or grasping the rim). The head coach is responsible for the conduct of his bench, and thus he is penalized for any fouls committed by his bench.

The difference mainly between an indirect and a direct technical foul is you get three indirect technical fouls, or a combination of three indirect and direct technical fouls before it results in an ejection.