Buzzer beater...........oops

[just another ref]

This situation brought to mind another issue, when is a timeout actually granted? This situation was opposite of the normal request. The team making the request wants it NOW if not sooner, with the common example being the player who makes the request while airborne before landing out of bounds. Though not specifically stated by rule, normally the timeout is granted even if the whistle does not actually sound until after the player has landed. But look at the situation tonight. A1 pushing the ball up the court. A2 says timeout. Official says "What, you want timeout?" A2 nods. Official blows the whistle. Meanwhile, just as the official was asking for verification of the request, A1 launched a shot, which was in flight when the whistle sounded.

5-8-3 states that timeout occurs when an official grants and signals the request of a player or coach.

Under 6-7 the only thing that causes the ball to be dead related to a timeout which is mentioned is the whistle, not the request, nor the recognition/granting thereof. While I think most of us handle this the same way, (it took a while for me to sorta swallow this concept in a thread several years ago) I would like to see an editorial revision and perhaps a case play with regard to this issue.

As sticky as our situation was tonight, I imagine it being a lot worse had the whistle not sounded until after the release.

[Adam]

1. I'm assuming he threatened to report you during the TO he didn't want. If so, why did you not T him?

2. If it happened after the game was over, why were you on the court?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

1. I'm assuming he threatened to report you during the TO he didn't want. If so, why did you not T him?

Never occurred to me at the time, although it did later. He was getting a bit agitated as he asked his series of questions. "What if.....?" "Why can't we......?"

So I told him to take it easy and let's not make this any worse. He was actually quite calm then. "It's already worse. Y'all are getting reported."
I almost bit at this point, but I didn't. (Oh, yeah? What's the report gonna say?) He calmly stated a fact about his intentions regarding the situation. I still don't see a T here.

[Welpe]

The T for me would've been right after the "d".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Never occurred to me at the time, although it did later. He was getting a bit agitated as he asked his series of questions. "What if.....?" "Why can't we......?"

So I told him to take it easy and let's not make this any worse. He was actually quite calm then. "It's already worse. Y'all are getting reported."
I almost bit at this point, but I didn't. (Oh, yeah? What's the report gonna say?) He calmly stated a fact about his intentions regarding the situation. I still don't see a T here.

I've always considered any threat of post game reporting to be as close to automatic as it gets. Sort of like the "I'm going to give you a 1" (or whatever the lowest rating is).

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

I've always considered any threat of post game reporting to be as close to automatic as it gets. Sort of like the "I'm going to give you a 1" (or whatever the lowest rating is).

I understand what you're saying, but here's why I don't consider this a threat.
If you are threatened with a low rating, that's one thing. Here, the cards we have now don't even have a place for rating various categories like the cards we formerly used. They merely have the names of the officials and their ratings (registered, approved, certified) date, and teams involved. They don't even have the assignor's contact information any more. I've taken an informal survey, and 9 out of 10 coaches throw them in the trash. If he wants to report something which he considers improper and/or out of the ordinary, I think that's exactly what he should do. He stated a fact. I didn't, and still don't, feel threatened in the least.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Y'all are getting reported." I still don't see a T here.

This is a T. All day, every day, and twice on Sundays. Period. Other than physical contact, I can't name a more cut and dried one. (Well... after the Super Bowl I'm not as sure on the physical contact anymore.. )