3 man pay vs 2 man pay

[packersowner]

Around here, Varsity level uses 3 man - sub-varsity levels use 2 man. So by that, V games pay around $65, sub-varsity $55.

A lot of officials have been commenting lately that they would rather work 2 games, JV/V double headers with a 3 man crew and make $120 for the night. Right now, if you work a doubleheader with a 2 man crew (sub-varsity) and a 3 man crew (varsity), the pay is discounted for the second game, something like $90 for both. Normally, the varsity crew only works the varsity game.

Right now a school pays:

2 Man JV Crew - $110
3 Man V Crew - $195
Total - $305

If they went to one 3 man crew for both:
$360

To me, even though its $55 more for the school - I think it would help get more officials varsity experience, especially working 3 man crew and help clean up JV games which is where I see the most of the altercations happen.

[yooperbballref]

Originally Posted by packersowner

To me, even though its $55 more for the school - I think it would help get more officials varsity experience, especially working 3 man crew and help clean up JV games which is where I see the most of the altercations happen.

I hate to disagree with a fellow Packer owner, but I see it the other way around. By people doing refs JV and V games then that means there is less of an opportunity for a young ref who is not yet ready for V action to get games.

[CMHCoachNRef]

In the Buckeye State things vary some, but in Central Ohio Varsity is always three-person that pays anywhere from $57 to $63. There are two conferences that participate in a "mentoring" program within which the FR/JV doubleheaders are scheduled with three-person crews -- usually the crews work in front of the same varsity crews. The pay for the FR/JV games for three-person varies slightly from $77 to $87 for the DH. The other leagues all use two-person for FR/JV. I believe that their pay ranges from about $80 to $90 for the DH.

The "mentoring" program provides aspiring new referees the opportunity to learn three-person mechanics for one to three or four years at the FR/JV level before moving up to Varsity.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

The "mentoring" program provides aspiring new referees the opportunity to learn three-person mechanics for one to three or four years at the FR/JV level before moving up to Varsity.

Shame we can't adopt that here.

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by yooperbballref

I hate to disagree with a fellow Packer owner, but I see it the other way around. By people doing refs JV and V games then that means there is less of an opportunity for a young ref who is not yet ready for V action to get games.

I guess it depends where you are working. Some places are in dire need of officials and ones that can work varsity games. Others have a plethora. However, you could look at it a different way too.

Some guys are working 5 - 6 nights week making $65/game, for a total of $325 - $390 per week. You essentially could do the same thing working 3 - 4 nights a week for $330 - $440. That would open up a couple of more nights for other guys, plus one might also say this keeps officials fresher since they are not working every night.

I am not arguing one way or the other - I think they are lots of valid reasons to have different crews, work more nights, schools wanting a varsity only crew, etc. I am just looking at it from the economics.

I personally, would rather work 2 nights a week and work a JV/V doubleheader than work 4 nights and miss all of the chatter on here

[WDEvol]

Rates set by the state in Alabama:

Varsity 3-man: $40.00/game per official
JV 3-man: $35.00/game per official
JV 2-man: $40.00/game per official
9th grade & under 3-man: $30.00/game per official
9th grade & under 2-man: $35.00/game per official

In 99% of cases, officials will have at least 2 games per assignment. Oftentimes a 3-man crew will call 3 games (JV, VG, VB). In that case, that's $115.00 per night per official, plus mileage.

In our area (not sure about other parts of the state), we go 3-man for every varsity game and 2-man for every junior high game. I've seen JV done both ways.

[BillyMac]

What is this three man crew that you speak of?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What is this three man crew that you speak of?

That is what many are saying about the group you belong to.

Peace

[Terrapins Fan]

Western Md and West Virginia, we do 3 man Varsity $65 each, travel for 3 schools that are 60 miles away. $15 for 1 official. No travel for the other 9 schools.

We rarely ever double up.

JV is $45 to $50 per official. 2 man.

Middle schools $30 per official, per game, usually 3 games assigned.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Everything for the most part is done here in two person with the exception of certain tournament finals:

Two Person-Regular Season
$72.00 per person

Two Person-Playoff (All rounds up to quarter-finals)
$81.00 per person

Three Person-Regular Season
$68.00 per person

Three Person-Playoffs (quarter-finals and onward)
$77.00

Section Championship-3 Person
$85.00

mileage is compensated for according to this scale
51 - 75 miles = $12.00
76 - 125 miles = $18.00
126 - 175 miles = $30.00
176 - 250 miles = $42.00
251 - 350 miles = $54.00
351 - 450 miles = $72.00

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What is this three man crew that you speak of?

Same here. We don't see 3-person at the H.S. level until the playoffs.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What is this three man crew that you speak of?

It is required that three-man crews must use the Alternating Possession rule.

MTD, Sr.

[egj13]

I think Montana has to be one of the lower paying states. We get $36 for JV (all 2 person) and $51 for V (all 3 person). One good thing here is that in my area we have a majority of Class C schools (AA, A, B and C are our classes) and they play both boys and girls in one night so we get $102 for the night plus travel if you are the driver. No complaints though.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by packersowner

I guess it depends where you are working. Some places are in dire need of officials and ones that can work varsity games. Others have a plethora. However, you could look at it a different way too.

Some guys are working 5 - 6 nights week making $65/game, for a total of $325 - $390 per week. You essentially could do the same thing working 3 - 4 nights a week for $330 - $440. That would open up a couple of more nights for other guys, plus one might also say this keeps officials fresher since they are not working every night.

I am not arguing one way or the other - I think they are lots of valid reasons to have different crews, work more nights, schools wanting a varsity only crew, etc. I am just looking at it from the economics.

I personally, would rather work 2 nights a week and work a JV/V doubleheader than work 4 nights and miss all of the chatter on here

It should be up to each official to decide how much he/she wants to work. It's why I despise the central assignor method. Under that system 17 years ago I would get 2-3 days a week and couldn't schedule anything else, even if I wanted to. Now, it's completely up to me and how far I'm willing to drive.

That said, I'm cutting back next season to 3 or so days a week by cutting out girls games. Another choice I never could've made elsewhere where you worked everything or nothing.

[scrounge]

we're pretty fortunate here in that most of the suburban schools use 3 man for sub-varsity, even freshmen (girls and boys), so there are PLENTY of opportunities to learn 3-man, even for first year officials. The public schools in the city and some smaller Christian schools use 2 man, as do the middle schools, but 3 man is prob more common. Pay doesn't change, it's the same per official regardless of crew size.