In the act of shooting?

[The R]

A1 rebounds the ball and begins the habitual motion to shoot. B1 grabs A1's arm. You have a whistle at this point for a foul. A1 gives up on that attempt then makes a legal step through move to the basket and makes a bank shot.


How do you handle this play?

Note: You deem A1 to be in the act of shooting before his arm is grabbed. The step through move was a separate act of shooting.

[tomegun]

I think you can answer your question. The step through isn't continuous motion, it is another move after the whistle. If anything, you can tell A1 to stop on the whistle?

[maven]

It's still a shooting foul if the contact prevents release of the try. I agree with Tom that the second move is an independent try (with a dead ball).

[Adam]

It would have to be pretty clear to me that initial try was aborted before I'd wave off the shot and give two free throws.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Adam

It would have to be pretty clear to me that initial try was aborted before I'd wave off the shot and give two free throws.

Fair enough. I was taking that part for granted/not challenging the OP's judgment of that particular question.

I agree that, if in doubt, it was continuous motion.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by maven

Fair enough. I was taking that part for granted/not challenging the OP's judgment of that particular question.

I agree that, if in doubt, it was continuous motion.

Agreed, and I wasn't intending to challenge his judgment on this particular play. The rule is clear, but then again, so is the rule for multiple fouls.

[Camron Rust]

According to the philosophies of many on here as expressed in another recent thread, that would not be a shooting foul at all since he didn't continue to shoot after the foul but made another move prior to actually shooting.

I don't agree with them, however.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

According to the philosophies of many on here as expressed in another recent thread, that would not be a shooting foul at all since he didn't continue to shoot after the foul but made another move prior to actually shooting.

I don't agree with them, however.

I can't help but chuckle.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

According to the philosophies of many on here as expressed in another recent thread, that would not be a shooting foul at all since he didn't continue to shoot after the foul but made another move prior to actually shooting.

I don't agree with them, however.

Tongue in cheek I know but that's a misrepresentation of what those of us on that side of the argument are saying.

Easy answer to the OP is two shots.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

According to the philosophies of many on here as expressed in another recent thread, that would not be a shooting foul at all since he didn't continue to shoot after the foul but made another move prior to actually shooting.

I don't agree with them, however.

Only if he had stepped through and passed the ball

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Tongue in cheek I know but that's a misrepresentation of what those of us on that side of the argument are saying.

Easy answer to the OP is two shots.

Only somewhat. I'm just exposing the inconsistency in that philosophy. It is merely that some just don't want to make rules-based decisions and would rather take the easy road based on what the fans/coaches expect instead of the right road.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Only somewhat. I'm just exposing the inconsistency in that philosophy. It is merely that too many just don't want to made decisions and would rather take the easy road instead of the right road.

I think that in some of the cases, it's not the easy road they are trying to take, but rather retroactively justify whatever they said first so they can never be wrong --- rules be damned.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Only somewhat. I'm just exposing the inconsistency in that philosophy. It is merely that some just don't want to made decisions and would rather take the easy road instead of the right road.

It doesnt expose any inconsistency at all nor is it about taking the easy road or doing something that is not right by any stretch of the imagination.

But no need to hi-jack this thread to an issue that's already been discussed.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I think that in some of the cases, it's not the easy road they are trying to take, but rather retroactively justify whatever they said first so they can never be wrong --- rules be damned.

I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. But it sure doesn't seem to resemble anything to do with that previous conversation.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. But it sure doesn't seem to resemble anything to do with that previous conversation.

Sure doesn't to me either...plus I thought we weren't supposed to bring "rules" into these conversations, so how can they be damned?