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Old Tue Feb 05, 2013, 01:24pm
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Elbow/foul

Trap at division line, D commits foul for holding and O player fouled, swings elbows wildly and faster than torso, but makes no contact. O is in the bonus. Any clear cut answers?
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Old Tue Feb 05, 2013, 01:26pm
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Yeah, foul on D. Nothing on O since his swinging elbows did not make contact, and the ball was already dead for the foul on D.
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Old Tue Feb 05, 2013, 01:27pm
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So you called the foul on D and then the offensive player swung wildly?

Personally I would just shoot the throws since O is in the bonus and no contact was made.

Yoop, what would you have done if contact would have been made?
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Old Tue Feb 05, 2013, 01:41pm
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I agree with the previous answers unless you felt that the swinging was not just "to clear space", but was an attempt to strike one of the defenders. In that case, I have a technical foul (probably flagrant). But if it's a run-of-the-mill swing to get away from people, then I have nothing.
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Old Tue Feb 05, 2013, 01:56pm
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Flagrant technical and disqualification on O, no free throws on flagrant, put O on line for 1 n 1 and continue from there.
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Old Tue Feb 05, 2013, 02:03pm
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Flagrant technical and disqualification on O, no free throws on flagrant, put O on line for 1 n 1 and continue from there.

NFHS: You administer fouls in the order that they occur. So this is incorrect...2nd, why do you think free throws wouldn't be shot for a flagrant technical foul?

As to your scenario, foul on the defense and go on from there.
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Old Tue Feb 05, 2013, 02:05pm
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Flagrant technical and disqualification on O, no free throws on flagrant, put O on line for 1 n 1 and continue from there.

No free throws on flagrant technical foul? All single technical fouls in nfhs are penalized by 2 free throws and ball to the offended team at division line.

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Old Tue Feb 05, 2013, 02:18pm
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In the original scenario the whistle was for a hold on D, and a new caviat was introduced saying a elbow made contact during a dead ball
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Old Tue Feb 05, 2013, 02:23pm
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In the original scenario the whistle was for a hold on D, and a new caviat was introduced saying a elbow made contact during a dead ball
True, but doesn't answer the question of why you would not shoot free throws for the flagrant T.
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Old Tue Feb 05, 2013, 02:24pm
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In the original scenario the whistle was for a hold on D, and a new caviat was introduced saying a elbow made contact during a dead ball
This doesn't answer why Team B (defensive team) doesn't get free throws for the flagrant technical foul committed by A1 (offensive player).
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Old Tue Feb 05, 2013, 02:59pm
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First I believe that you administer the 1 n 1 to the offensive player who was originally fouled (with lanes cleared) then the 2 free throws to the Defensive team who's player was elbowed with the throw in division line
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Old Tue Feb 05, 2013, 03:06pm
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First I believe that you administer the 1 n 1 to the offensive player who was originally fouled (with lanes cleared) then the 2 free throws to the Defensive team who's player was elbowed with the throw in division line
And the 1+1 is either shot by the original offensive player or, if he was DQ'd for a flagrant T, his substitute.
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