Past History with a Coach

[Tio]

I think you hit it on the head... be professional.

It is a new day and a new game, but given the last interaction, I would not go out of my way to initiate any dialog.

As for the last game... I think you reacted correctly... my only comment would be once a coach proves to be "sideways," we need to stay away. Teching a coach for muttering you or staring you down is never validated on tape. Just stay away and if he wants to say something let him yell it across the court where everyone hears it... then you have a free license to whack/toss.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

I think you hit it on the head... be professional.

It is a new day and a new game, but given the last interaction, I would not go out of my way to initiate any dialog.

As for the last game... I think you reacted correctly... my only comment would be once a coach proves to be "sideways," we need to stay away. Teching a coach for muttering you or staring you down is never validated on tape. Just stay away and if he wants to say something let him yell it across the court where everyone hears it... then you have a free license to whack/toss.

1. You can't always stay away.

2. You shouldn't let a coach dictate your positioning like that.

3. If you're worried about the tape, your assignors don't trust you enough.

[Tio]

Originally Posted by Adam

1. You can't always stay away.

2. You shouldn't let a coach dictate your positioning like that.

3. If you're worried about the tape, your assignors don't trust you enough.

I agree on 1 and 2. The point was not to linger or initiate any dialog.

On 3, I disagree. I work in a variety of conferences some of which the coaches have tremendous influence over the assignors. I do not personally agree with allowing coaches that much power, but it is the way it is. If the tape backs you up, it is always easy for your supervisor to defend the call. If the tape does not, then becomes more difficult.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Tio

On 3, I disagree. I work in a variety of conferences some of which the coaches have tremendous influence over the assignors. I do not personally agree with allowing coaches that much power, but it is the way it is. If the tape backs you up, it is always easy for your supervisor to defend the call. If the tape does not, then becomes more difficult.

Same here. I know for a fact my assignor will look at tape if there is controversy - whether it be initiated by a coach complaining or an official reporting that there was a flagrant foul. I'm fine with it and it backed me up on a flagrant foul I called last season where I was the only one who saw the action - both my partner and the head coach of the kid who was tossed were blocked from the view of it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Same here. I know for a fact my assignor will look at tape if there is controversy - whether it be initiated by a coach complaining or an official reporting that there was a flagrant foul. I'm fine with it and it backed me up on a flagrant foul I called last season where I was the only one who saw the action - both my partner and the head coach of the kid who was tossed were blocked from the view of it.

Curious, what would have happened if the camera was also blocked?

[Tio]

Originally Posted by Adam

Curious, what would have happened if the camera was also blocked?

Look... none of us are trying to be argumentative.... Usually the tape tells the story. I don't like the fact that we don't have more trust, but that is the reality when every fan has a camera phone, both teams tape the game, etc.

The assignor in many cases is hired and paid by the schools in the conference and their ability to be successful does require that they serve as the liason between the officials and coaches in the conference.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

Look... none of us are trying to be argumentative.... Usually the tape tells the story. I don't like the fact that we don't have more trust, but that is the reality when every fan has a camera phone, both teams tape the game, etc.

The assignor in many cases is hired and paid by the schools in the conference and their ability to be successful does require that they serve as the liason between the officials and coaches in the conference.

I'm not trying to say you're wrong. Only pointing out the lack of trust. And, to be fair, it isn't likely your assignors' fault. Our assignor is an elected position within our association, abd the schools aren't going anywhere soon.

Not that tape isn't helpful, I just hate the idea of letting a clear technical foul go because you're the only one who heard it.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Adam

Curious, what would have happened if the camera was also blocked?

I'm not sure. I probably would have had a conversation with my assignor at the very least. As it was, I didn't even know they looked at the tape until this season when I worked again with my partner from that game (who was the R in the game last season).

[Tio]

One other point... Make sure you tell your partners in the pregame that you teched the coach last week! I had a coach ready to kill my partner in a game last year and had no idea... playcalling was good and it was early in the game. I asked the coach why he was mad and he said he was still mad at the U1 for teching him earlier in the season!

[Adam]

I still think your assignors need to trust you more, otherwise a coach gets to mutter anything he wants, especially if he smiles for the camera while doing it.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Adam

I still think your assignors need to trust you more

It's Texas...(at least in the case of Smitty and myself)...where officials are regarded as little more than an unfortunate necessity.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

It's Texas...(at least in the case of Smitty and myself)...where officials are regarded as little more than an unfortunate necessity.

Which is exactly why I wouldn't trade football rule sets with you.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Tio

I agree on 1 and 2. The point was not to linger or initiate any dialog.

On 3, I disagree. I work in a variety of conferences some of which the coaches have tremendous influence over the assignors. I do not personally agree with allowing coaches that much power, but it is the way it is. If the tape backs you up, it is always easy for your supervisor to defend the call. If the tape does not, then becomes more difficult.

Agree about #3. I have one supervisor who wants T's on coaches to be very obvious.