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Old Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:53pm
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Two plays from this game:

First play and one I was going to post myself:



Illegal screen or pushing foul for going through the screener?

Second play and the one the OP asked for:

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Old Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:59pm
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Play 1: I like the pushing foul on the defender.

Play 2: Wow. Hard to tell about the foul from the angle, but not hard to tell about the travel or OOB. And where the heck was the L going?
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:01pm
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Play 1--illegal screen to me.

Play 2--I would go with a foul on blue, and if no foul, definately travel or out of bounds. Has to be something on this.

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Old Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:08pm
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Play 1 - I would've liked to have seen an illegal screen called here, but I can understand why the T would only be able to see the push. The L had no one between him and this play, and he needs to see and call the illegal screen. The bucket definitely counts with what was called though.

Play 2 - He was definitely pushed, and it caused him to go to the ground. If a foul isn't called here, the travel or OOB should have been. I can see getting away without calling a travel if the official passed on the foul, but the OOB is too obvious...
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:20pm
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Play 1 - I would've liked to have seen an illegal screen called here, but I can understand why the T would only be able to see the push. The L had no one between him and this play, and he needs to see and call the illegal screen. The bucket definitely counts with what was called though.
I was also going to bring this up...I also think the lead needs to get this play. Not sure what he was concentrating on.

On play two, I have an undercut by the defender.
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:43pm
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I was also going to bring this up...I also think the lead needs to get this play. Not sure what he was concentrating on..
The other blue player in his area when the play started was cutting across the lane and being defended. He was watching this (and that, in and of itself, is not wrong. That player might have been held and maybe the play was a screen to the other side and a swing pass for a 3-point shot)
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:48pm
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I was also going to bring this up...I also think the lead needs to get this play. Not sure what he was concentrating on.

On play two, I have an undercut by the defender.
I'm with you.

I have an illegal screen on the first play that the Lead needs to get.

Definitely looks like a foul on Blue in the second clip, but if you're going to pass on that, don't compound it by no-calling the travel and OOB.
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:14pm
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#1 = Illegal screen. It happened in L's PCA so he's the one who needs to get it first, though it's not impossible for the T to get it since no one was near the shooter when he got the ball.

#2 = Foul on Kentucky #12.
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:11pm
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Play 1--illegal screen to me.

Play 2--I might go with a foul on blue, and if no foul, definately travel or out of bounds. Has to be something on this.
Agree on both counts.
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:14pm
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Play #1: Either an illegal screen or it was a pushing foul on B1 PRIOR to A2 starting his habitual shooting motion.

Play #2: Can't tell if there is a push, but there is definitely a travel and an OOB violation.
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Old Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:20pm
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I thought that screen was illegal when it happened and I still do now after seeing the replays.

After seeing the replay on the rebound, non-traval, non-OOB, I think a foul was the right call. Blue-12 came into White-10's legs as he was coming down and caused him to fall. In the end, the right team got that ball, but it sure was an ugly way to get to the right result.
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Old Fri Feb 01, 2013, 08:50am
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Definitely agree on both parts. In addition, there is no way the bucket should've counted on #1.
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I just watched it again and I am with you about the bucket not counting. The illegal screen was definitely before the shot. Should have gone the other way without points.
Glad I'm not the only who thought that. A2 definitely had not brought the ball up to shoot when B1 and A1 collided.


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Play #1: Either an illegal screen or it was a pushing foul on B1 PRIOR to A2 starting his habitual shooting motion.

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