T for pregame warmups?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I had a partner recently that pointed each direction and announced which way the teams were going before tossing the ball.

And what is wrong with what your partner did?

MTD, Sr.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

And what is wrong with what your partner did?

MTD, Sr.

Nothing was inherently wrong with it, but not many people do it around here. Like tomegun said above, I'm not doing it unless it causes me to lose games.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

And what is wrong with what your partner did?

MTD, Sr.

It's completely unnecessary. Maybe at lower levels it's helpful, but I'm not doing that at a varsity game. The teams are already lined up the right way, after all.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Rich

It's completely unnecessary. Maybe at lower levels it's helpful, but I'm not doing that at a varsity game. The teams are already lined up the right way, after all.

Yea, I mean it isn't like some college officials recently let teams go the wrong direction in an overtime jump ball.

Maybe if they would have pointed and said it out loud, the mistake would have been noticed.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Rich

It's completely unnecessary. Maybe at lower levels it's helpful, but I'm not doing that at a varsity game. The teams are already lined up the right way, after all.

There are many things I would consider completely unnecessary that we still do. I do this for all games I do including varsity and JUCO and never really knew it bothered some people.

I do it more as a formality. I don't say "going this way....." but simply white and point one direction then blue and point the other. Again more as a formality but it can also clarify what we are going to call teams with two syllable colors that night as I'm a one syllable guy. So it let's everyone know that orange is red tonight or purple is blue tonight, etc.

Not a big deal to me either way but in the OPs case of beginning the game with a T its absolutely absurd to still have them line up and do this.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

It's completely unnecessary. Maybe at lower levels it's helpful, but I'm not doing that at a varsity game. The teams are already lined up the right way, after all.

Ask the guys who officiated the Connecticut Marquette game a few weeks ago if it's completely unnecessary.

Speaking captain? What's your number (if covered with warmup jersey)? Are you starting?

Note: I hate working with this guy.

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Originally Posted by zm1283

Nothing was inherently wrong with it.

When I'm the referee (and tossing), I perform the same routine at the start of every single game, from a Catholic middle school "junior varsity" game, up to a high school varsity game:

I look to the bench to my left, note, and state, the color, make sure the jumper to my left is the same color, and point to my right. Then I look to the bench on my right, note, and state, the color, make sure the jumper to my right is the same color, and point to my left.

Every single game, every single time.

I'm probably going to screw up a call, or a few calls, or a lot of calls, in that game, but I'm definitely not going to start the players going in the wrong direction.

Originally Posted by WDEvol

Locker rooms are opposite end of floor from where each team should be warming up. Visitors run out first, with half going under the basket and up one sideline, the other half down the other sideline.

2011-12 POINTS OF EMPHASIS

1. SPORTING BEHAVIOR. The NFHS Basketball Rules Committee continues to
be concerned about the following behaviors:

A. Pregame Situations. Teams entering the gymnasium prior to the contest
should not run through the area occupied by the opposing team or under
the basket where opponents are warming up. Teams should only enter, jog
or warm-up on their own half of the court. Gatherings intended to
motivate a team after the warm-up period, during or following player
introductions and post-game celebrations should be performed in the area
directly in front of the team bench. If during the pregame or half-time
warm-up period one team leaves the floor, the other team should not use
the entire court; teams should only warm-up on their half of the court.
Only authorized personnel should be permitted on the floor. All spectators
should be in designated areas.

Originally Posted by Freddy

You could have found any reason to leave prior to the FTs for the T. Any reason. Think creative.

Ran out of gas. Had a flat tire. Didn't have enough money for cab fare. Tux didn't come back from the cleaners. Old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole car. There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts!

Originally Posted by WDEvol

Are players properly equipped, we want to encourage good sportsmanship.

Do players know how to wear their uniforms properly?

2-4-5: Verify with the head coach, prior to each contest, that his/her team
member’s uniforms and equipment are legal and will be worn properly, and that
all participants will exhibit proper sporting behavior throughout the contest.

[WDEvol]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

2011-12 POINTS OF EMPHASIS

1. SPORTING BEHAVIOR. The NFHS Basketball Rules Committee continues to
be concerned about the following behaviors:

A. Pregame Situations. Teams entering the gymnasium prior to the contest
should not run through the area occupied by the opposing team or under
the basket where opponents are warming up. Teams should only enter, jog
or warm-up on their own half of the court. Gatherings intended to
motivate a team after the warm-up period, during or following player
introductions and post-game celebrations should be performed in the area
directly in front of the team bench. If during the pregame or half-time
warm-up period one team leaves the floor, the other team should not use
the entire court; teams should only warm-up on their half of the court.
Only authorized personnel should be permitted on the floor. All spectators
should be in designated areas.

Yep, that's the one. I did not officiate last year, and it's not in this year's rule book. And now that I read it, it says "teams should not run ... under the basket where opponents are warming up." That means it's essentially a strong suggestion. So that means we should do nothing other than tell the coach, "Hey, don't do that."

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by WDEvol

Yep, that's the one. I did not officiate last year, and it's not in this year's rule book. And now that I read it, it says "teams should not run ... under the basket where opponents are warming up." That means it's essentially a strong suggestion. So that means we should do nothing other than tell the coach, "Hey, don't do that."

Not just that, but it says WARMING UP... not "soon to be warming up." The other team wasn't there, there's nothing unsportsmanlike going on here.

[scrounge]

Plus, back to the original description, if the locker rooms were on the opposite end of the court where they would be warming up, how on earth are they supposed to get there WITHOUT going near the other team's basket?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by scrounge

Plus, back to the original description, if the locker rooms were on the opposite end of the court where they would be warming up, how on earth are they supposed to get there WITHOUT going near the other team's basket?

There's a difference between "near" and "under".

[archangel]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A. Pregame Situations. Teams entering the gymnasium prior to the contest
should not run through the area occupied by the opposing team or under
the basket where opponents are warming up. Teams should only enter, jog or warm-up on their own half of the court.

Do you read this as actually under the basket, i.e. on the floor?

Gym has 2 doors at each end. V team warming up at the basket nearest the hallway where both teams locker rooms (and ours) are.
Home JVG team enters through far door opposite their bench, immediately turn right, jog along V's endline, but in foul, past V team, drop their things on home bench, go past scoretable to their basket.
Visiting coach (at her bench) asks me if I'm giving them a T for that. I said no, H team didnt say, or really even look at V team, no form of unsportsmanlike, or intimidation that I saw, and the coach went back to her bench.
I did mention it to the H coach, suggesting that having them enter the closer door will eliminate any possible future T's from another ref.

Out of curiosity, I asked the guys working the following varsity game, and they were split (they werent there to see it and only gave opinions on what I described).
What say you?