T for pregame warmups?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Adam

I have a ten second captain meeting. I don't ask for speaking captains, but I do announce direction and color before my toss.

Tonight, however, I skipped that part in my girls JV game. Everything went fine, except the visitors spotted the home team 57 points before finishing strong to lose 57-1.

I tried to see how short I could make my captain's meeting last night. I was the R in the varsity game. "You guys are the captains, take care of your players on the court. Sportsmanship is important like it always is. Any questions? Good luck". I have yet to have a partner this year who is as short as I am. Probably four out of five throw in something about "Talking you out of fouls" (That one is really in vogue here), "Talking you out of three seconds"....etc.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Billy there is a way to group all of your quotes into one posts, it's the multi-quote feature.

And there's a nifty moderation tool called "Merge Posts", which I used on the 7 consecutive posts.

Originally Posted by zm1283

I tried to see how short I could make my captain's meeting last night. I was the R in the varsity game. "You guys are the captains, take care of your players on the court. Sportsmanship is important like it always is. Any questions? Good luck". I have yet to have a partner this year who is as short as I am. Probably four out of five throw in something about "Talking you out of fouls" (That one is really in vogue here), "Talking you out of three seconds"....etc.

My exact words last night:

"Sportsmanship is the number one priority tonight, guys. Any questions? Good luck."

I'm not sure I could get it any shorter.

[WDEvol]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

2011-12 POINTS OF EMPHASIS

1. SPORTING BEHAVIOR. The NFHS Basketball Rules Committee continues to
be concerned about the following behaviors:

A. Pregame Situations. Teams entering the gymnasium prior to the contest
should not run through the area occupied by the opposing team or under
the basket where opponents are warming up. Teams should only enter, jog
or warm-up on their own half of the court. Gatherings intended to
motivate a team after the warm-up period, during or following player
introductions and post-game celebrations should be performed in the area
directly in front of the team bench. If during the pregame or half-time
warm-up period one team leaves the floor, the other team should not use
the entire court; teams should only warm-up on their half of the court.
Only authorized personnel should be permitted on the floor. All spectators
should be in designated areas.

Yep, that's the one. I did not officiate last year, and it's not in this year's rule book. And now that I read it, it says "teams should not run ... under the basket where opponents are warming up." That means it's essentially a strong suggestion. So that means we should do nothing other than tell the coach, "Hey, don't do that."

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich

"Sportsmanship is the number one priority tonight, guys. Any questions? Good luck." I'm not sure I could get it any shorter.

"SP12Nt. ?'s? GL"

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by WDEvol

Yep, that's the one. I did not officiate last year, and it's not in this year's rule book. And now that I read it, it says "teams should not run ... under the basket where opponents are warming up." That means it's essentially a strong suggestion. So that means we should do nothing other than tell the coach, "Hey, don't do that."

Not just that, but it says WARMING UP... not "soon to be warming up." The other team wasn't there, there's nothing unsportsmanlike going on here.

[scrounge]

Plus, back to the original description, if the locker rooms were on the opposite end of the court where they would be warming up, how on earth are they supposed to get there WITHOUT going near the other team's basket?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by scrounge

Plus, back to the original description, if the locker rooms were on the opposite end of the court where they would be warming up, how on earth are they supposed to get there WITHOUT going near the other team's basket?

There's a difference between "near" and "under".

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

There's a difference between "near" and "under".

If they're just transiting from their locker to get to the other side of the court, even under the basket with the other team no where in sight, they're just coming out to warmup and there's not a chance in the world I'd ever call this.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by scrounge

If they're just transiting from their locker to get to the other side of the court, even under the basket with the other team no where in sight, they're just coming out to warmup and there's not a chance in the world I'd ever call this.

I wouldn't even notice. We don't take the floor until both teams come out and they're usually in position by the time we get on the floor.

[WDEvol]

Originally Posted by Rich

I wouldn't even notice. We don't take the floor until both teams come out and they're usually in position by the time we get on the floor.

We are told to stay out on the floor between games because there's usually less than a minute between the end of the girls' game and when the boys come out for warmups. But it's still something I'd never, ever call.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by scrounge

If they're just transiting from their locker to get to the other side of the court, even under the basket with the other team no where in sight, they're just coming out to warmup and there's not a chance in the world I'd ever call this.

There's still a difference between "near" and "under", which is what you were commenting on. If the other team is not on the court, it's moot. If the other team is on the court, then the difference may make a difference.

[McMac]

Originally Posted by WDEvol

We are told to stay out on the floor between games because there's usually less than a minute between the end of the girls' game and when the boys come out for warmups. But it's still something I'd never, ever call.

We were told in a email a few weeks ago to LEAVE the court between a double header. This has to just be to leave the confines of the gym. I had a G-MS game end 17-15. I did not want a silly T (wouldn't have happened with either coach) to have to make us play OT. So both my partner and I went to the closest door stepped outside (after checking with the table to be sure they were good) and then stepped back in. Jurisdiction for Girls ended and Boys begins.

Concerning the warm-ups, our directive has been to NOT call this on under-V games.

[archangel]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A. Pregame Situations. Teams entering the gymnasium prior to the contest
should not run through the area occupied by the opposing team or under
the basket where opponents are warming up. Teams should only enter, jog or warm-up on their own half of the court.

Do you read this as actually under the basket, i.e. on the floor?

Gym has 2 doors at each end. V team warming up at the basket nearest the hallway where both teams locker rooms (and ours) are.
Home JVG team enters through far door opposite their bench, immediately turn right, jog along V's endline, but in foul, past V team, drop their things on home bench, go past scoretable to their basket.
Visiting coach (at her bench) asks me if I'm giving them a T for that. I said no, H team didnt say, or really even look at V team, no form of unsportsmanlike, or intimidation that I saw, and the coach went back to her bench.
I did mention it to the H coach, suggesting that having them enter the closer door will eliminate any possible future T's from another ref.

Out of curiosity, I asked the guys working the following varsity game, and they were split (they werent there to see it and only gave opinions on what I described).
What say you?