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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 09:36am
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Backcourt?

A1 has a throw in on the endline in the backcourt. A1 passes to A2 in the frontcourt, ball hits A2 on leg and goes into the backcourt. A1 gets the ball. Official calls backcourt. Correct? My first inclination is to say it isn't.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 09:43am
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Go with your inclination. 4.12.2 (b) No player or team control established in frontcourt
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 09:44am
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Play on. There can be no backcourt violation until Team Control and Player Control are established in the frontcourt.

In this case, you had neither TC nor PC in the frontcourt.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 09:49am
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Go with your inclination. 4.12.2 (b) No player or team control established in frontcourt
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Play on. There can be no backcourt violation until Team Control and Player Control are established in the frontcourt.

In this case, you had neither TC nor PC in the frontcourt.
That's not true.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:16am
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That's not true.
According to the wording of the rule, it is.
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9.9.1 C

A1 dribbling in backcourt passes to frontcourt and A2 touches or deflects it back to backcourt where A2 recovers.

Ruling is backcourt.

This says that when A2 touched it in the frontcourt, even though they didn't "posses" the ball, that touching constituted player control, and this is a backcourt. But in the OP, it is a throw in and since there is no player control during a throw in I would say it isn't a backcourt.
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Play on. There can be no backcourt violation until Team Control and Player Control are established in the frontcourt.

In this case, you had neither TC nor PC in the frontcourt established after the throw-in.
Fixed it for you.
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9.9.1 C

A1 dribbling in backcourt passes to frontcourt and A2 touches or deflects it back to backcourt where A2 recovers.

Ruling is backcourt.

This says that when A2 touched it in the frontcourt, even though they didn't "posses" the ball, that touching constituted player control, and this is a backcourt. But in the OP, it is a throw in and since there is no player control during a throw in I would say it isn't a backcourt.
A1's dribbling constituted PC, not A2's touch in the FC.
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9.9.1 C

A1 dribbling in backcourt passes to frontcourt and A2 touches or deflects it back to backcourt where A2 recovers.

Ruling is backcourt.

This says that when A2 touched it in the frontcourt, even though they didn't "posses" the ball, that touching constituted player control, and this is a backcourt. But in the OP, it is a throw in and since there is no player control during a throw in I would say it isn't a backcourt.
Yes, there is. Note that they removed "inbounds" from 4-12-1 a couple of years ago.

(It doesn't change your ruling, though.)
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:50am
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Yes, there is. Note that they removed "inbounds" from 4-12-1 a couple of years ago.

(It doesn't change your ruling, though.)
Ahh. You're right.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:07am
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What's a "couple"?

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Yes, there is. Note that they removed "inbounds" from 4-12-1 a couple of years ago.

(It doesn't change your ruling, though.)
AFTER '11-'12 books came out?
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AFTER '11-'12 books came out?
I'm thinking either 10-11 or 11-12.
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:18am
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Still, as you say, doesnt change the ruling, right? Am I correct, and we all agree (well that might be taking it too far) that this play is NOT a backcourt v?
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Old Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:55am
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Am I correct, and we all agree (well that might be taking it too far) that this play is NOT a backcourt v?
You're correct. Under no circumstances is the scenario in your OP a backcourt violation. Case closed.
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