Technical on Coach with ball in flight

[Loudwhistle2]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If the ball was in flight, the T does not cause it to be dead. Count the basket.

D*mmit, thanks! Been bugging me, felt odd.

[Scrapper1]

Once a try is released, the ball does not become dead until

• the try ends
• a player control foul is committed
• the offense commits an elbow-swinging violation.

I think that's it. I also thought of BI/GT is committed, but that would also end the try. So I think I have it covered.

Any other kind of foul does not cause the ball to become dead; the horn does not cause the ball to become dead.

In your situation, you'd still assess the technical foul, obviously; count the basket; then award the FTs and possession to the offended team.

[stiffler3492]

Next time, if you can, wait until the try is over, then whack.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Next time, if you can, wait until the try is over, then whack.

Bad idea. What if the shot is missed, an offensive rebound is made and you hit the whistle just before A2 puts a layup in. No need for that to happen.

This isn't a team on a fastbreak, in which case you should hold the whistle. This is a shot in flight. The whistle has no bearing on whether the basket is counted or not. It counts if it goes. Either way, we're going to shoot FTs as soon as the shot ends.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Bad idea. What if the shot is missed, an offensive rebound is made and you hit the whistle just before A2 puts a layup in. No need for that to happen.

This isn't a team on a fastbreak, in which case you should hold the whistle. This is a shot in flight. The whistle has no bearing on whether the basket is counted or not. It counts if it goes. Either way, we're going to shoot FTs as soon as the shot ends.

Fair point. Yes I was thinking of a fast break. Also trying to avoid confusion.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Bad idea. What if the shot is missed, an offensive rebound is made and you hit the whistle just before A2 puts a layup in. No need for that to happen.

This isn't a team on a fastbreak, in which case you should hold the whistle. This is a shot in flight. The whistle has no bearing on whether the basket is counted or not. It counts if it goes. Either way, we're going to shoot FTs as soon as the shot ends.

You should ABSOLUTELY wait until the play is over...THEN...wack! Doesn't matter if the T is called immediately after the coaches' comments...hold the whistle, then assess.

If you can stop it before the missed shot is rebounded by the offensive team, great. If not, doesn't matter - the coach is getting a T either way. No need to be so quick to blow the whistle while the shot is in the air.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

You should ABSOLUTELY wait until the play is over...THEN...wack! Doesn't matter if the T is called immediately after the coaches' comments...hold the whistle, then assess.

If you can stop it before the missed shot is rebounded by the offensive team, great. If not, doesn't matter - the coach is getting a T either way. No need to be so quick to blow the whistle while the shot is in the air.

So, what's the point in waiting?

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by Adam

So, what's the point in waiting?

There is no need to interrupt a scoring-opportunity-in-action by calling the T at that exact moment. You make things a whole lot easier by waiting a few extra seconds.

This is most certainly true when:
- a T on a defensive player would wipe out a scoring chance by the offense. (why penalize the offense for the opponents transgression?)
- a NCAAM game where the resumption of play is POI (if you call the T while no team control, you've got to go the arrow).

By waiting a few extra seconds, it becomes a "cleaner"/easier penalty administration.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Once a try is released, the ball does not become dead until

• the try ends
• a player control foul is committed
• the offense commits an elbow-swinging violation.

I think that's it. I also thought of BI/GT is committed, but that would also end the try. So I think I have it covered.

I thought of one more, if it's a try for a free throw, the ball is dead when the shooter or a teammate violates the free throw provisions.