First time to start the game with a technical

[Sharpshooternes]

So my partner and I show up to a Men's freshman game to find the visiting team, in uniform there warming up. Home team players are also there warming up but in jeans and T shirts. Come to find out the coach was late and had all of the uniforms locked up and no one else had a key. Visiting team was a little miffed (rightfully so) as they had to get some of their players to an upper level game after this game finished. After talking with my partner we decided to charge the home team with a team technical for not providing a roster and starters to the scorekeeper prior to the 10 minute mark citing 10-1-1. We started the game with the FTs and V had the ball out of bounds with H having the possession arrow.

My question is if we should have also charged a second technical for 10-1-5

A team shall not:

Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts:

a. When the clock is not running consuming a full minute through not being ready when it is time to start either half.

The game definitely started late. I figured using just article 1 would be enough to appease the visiting team and using article 5 was probably not in the spirit of the rule as the team couldn't be ready because of the coach. I wasn't going to not do anything because let's face it, this is HS ball and coaches and players should be on time and ready to go at tip off (or in this case for the tech FTs.) Anyone want to add their 2 cents on my handling of this situation? Thanks.

[Camron Rust]

You could apply both.

You could also forfeit the game if the team continues to be unready for play.

Many leagues have procedures that dictate how long a team is allowed before a forfeit is to be declared.

[Sharpshooternes]

They delayed the start of the game by less than 10 minutes. Probably closer to 5. As soon as they came out of the locker room we got underway. They did not warm up in uniform at all. I will bring this up at our next association meeting to see what they have to say about it.

[JetMetFan]

I wouldn't hit them twice. It's not the kids' fault their coach screwed up. 10-1-5 is more for a team being dressed and ready but making no move whatsoever to play.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I wouldn't hit them twice. It's not the kids' fault their coach screwed up. 10-1-5 is more for a team being dressed and ready but making no move whatsoever to play.

The coach is part of the team, not separate from it. The penalty is a TEAM technical foul.
I agree with Camron.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The coach is part of the team, not separate from it. The penalty is a TEAM technical foul.
I agree with Camron.

Camron didn't say give the second T or don't give the second T, he said you could which is true. I'm just saying I wouldn't, that's all. If I felt it was done deliberately my answer could be different.

[Eastshire]

They are libel for both penalties. I would be surprised if I ever say this situation sub-varsity where both were applied.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

They are libel for both penalties. I would be surprised if I ever say this situation sub-varsity where both were applied.

Dont you think a lawsuit a bit harsh here?

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Dont you think a lawsuit a bit harsh here?

Whoops. Liable.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

After talking with my partner we decided to charge the home team with a team technical for not providing a roster and starters to the scorekeeper prior to the 10 minute mark citing 10-1-1.

"........at least 10 minutes before the scheduled starting time."



They are the home team. They could simply change the schedule. I've been at games a few times where the visiting team arrives late and the time was pushed back. I don't see why this is any different

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by just another ref

"........at least 10 minutes before the scheduled starting time."



They are the home team. They could simply change the schedule. I've been at games a few times where the visiting team arrives late and the time was pushed back. I don't see why this is any different

At some point, the newly scheduled time can't be considered the scheduled starting time. Otherwise, I can generate a T on the other team every time by advancing the start time to less then 10 minutes from now when I've turned in my stuff but they haven't. (Or vice-versa to avoid being penalized ever.) I don't think that's a flexibility intended by the rule.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

At some point, the newly scheduled time can't be considered the scheduled starting time. Otherwise, I can generate a T on the other team every time by advancing the start time to less then 10 minutes from now when I've turned in my stuff but they haven't. (Or vice-versa to avoid being penalized ever.) I don't think that's a flexibility intended by the rule.

I agree -- generally, once the clock is running, the "scheduled time" is set.

The OP (coach with the key is late) might be an exception to the rule. Could mean that a "special report" (or whatever in your area) is called for, though.

[just another ref]

Is the running clock the key? That seems kinda thin.

"Coach called.....he's running late. Don't put any time on the clock."

[Adam]

Sometimes you just have to officiate.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Sometimes you just have to officiate.

Agreed. I just don't see this situation as the intent and purpose of the rule here.