LGP under the basket ?

[upanddown]

Had a situation: L and C double whistle baseline drive to basket; C signals block while L signals PC. C runs to L says B1 under the basket has no LGP thus no PC. L says than how can there be a block? C doesnt yield to L counts basket puts A1 on line for FT. Both experienced Varsity refs but L is Sr and during post game L says in pro, NBA or college maybe ok but not NFHS the area under the basket is still fair play.

[APG]

This is hard to believe that experienced varsity officials would screw this up. There is no restricted area under NFHS rules. As such, a player can obtain legal guarding position ANYWHERE on the court.

As to your situation on the floor, one official screwed up the rule, then the other two allowed a second screw up by not administering the blarge (double foul).

[bob jenkins]

Where was the third official?

In my mind, this becomes a rules discussion and it would be okay to "ignore" the blarge (as long as the correct ruling was made).

Sounds to me like a screw-up all around (not that it hasn't happened to all of us).

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Where was the third official?

In my mind, this becomes a rules discussion and it would be okay to "ignore" the blarge (as long as the correct ruling was made).

I agree with Bob on this. This is not two officials making opposite judgments. This is applying a rule incorrectly. Once we all agree on the ruleset and the facts, we can tell the coach that there's no blocking foul because there's no RA; so only one foul will be assessed.

And, honestly, I don't find it hard to believe that a veteran could make this mistake IF: 1) the official is also a college official; and 2) the court has the RA markings (maybe it's played in a college venue). In this case, I can see how the NCAA instincts might kick in until he's reminded that it's HS rules.

"I ain't sayin' it's right. . . but I understand." -- Chris Rock, paraphrased.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I agree with Bob on this. This is not two officials making opposite judgments. This is applying a rule incorrectly. Once we all agree on the ruleset and the facts, we can tell the coach that there's no blocking foul because there's no RA; so only one foul will be assessed.

And, honestly, I don't find it hard to believe that a veteran could make this mistake IF: 1) the official is also a college official; and 2) the court has the RA markings (maybe it's played in a college venue). In this case, I can see how the NCAA instincts might kick in until he's reminded that it's HS rules.

"I ain't sayin' it's right. . . but I understand." -- Chris Rock, paraphrased.

I am a college official and work with a lot of college officials in high school games and I do not understand. This is pretty basic stuff to know the rule is not the same.

Peace

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am a college official and work with a lot of college officials in high school games and I do not understand. This is pretty basic stuff to know the rule is not the same.

Peace

Some guys just won't give the charge call under the basket regardless of the rule
When my brother was playing an official gave his a minute long lecture on why he wouldn't give that call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Some guys just won't give the charge call under the basket regardless of the rule
When my brother was playing an official gave his a minute long lecture on why he wouldn't give that call.

Wow. There's your first clue here.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am a college official and work with a lot of college officials in high school games and I do not understand. This is pretty basic stuff to know the rule is not the same.

Same confusion level here. You work the level you're working that night. If they're experienced, they really should remember.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by APG

This is hard to believe that experienced varsity officials would screw this up. There is no restricted area under NFHS rules. As such, a player can obtain legal guarding position ANYWHERE on the court.

As to your situation on the floor, one official screwed up the rule, then the other two allowed a second screw up by not administering the blarge (double foul).

Have to partially disagree here about allowing the screw up to happen. sounds like they brought the official the correct information and he didnt want to do anything about it. if the person is adamant about not following the rules i dont see what you can do about it. i will bring the person the information, have a brief discussion with them and move on. not going to get into an argument or have a fight with another official on the court. at the end of the day, the official in the wrong will have to live with the consequences.

[APG]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Have to partially disagree here about allowing the screw up to happen. sounds like they brought the official the correct information and he didnt want to do anything about it. if the person is adamant about not following the rules i dont see what you can do about it. i will bring the person the information, have a brief discussion with them and move on. not going to get into an argument or have a fight with another official on the court. at the end of the day, the official in the wrong will have to live with the consequences.

They only argued over whether it should have been a block or a charge. When they came together and realized that they couldn't come to a decision, and one had a block and the other a charge and they both signaled it, the discussion should have next gone into the fact that they had a blarge and what to do next.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

This is hard to believe that experienced varsity officials would screw this up. There is no restricted area under NFHS rules. As such, a player can obtain legal guarding position ANYWHERE on the court.

I know more than a few officials who will refuse to call a blockcharge under the basket in HS and have held that view since long before the NBA or NCAA added their RA's. They like their way better and just will not call it by HS rules.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I know more than a few officials who will refuse to call a block under the basket in HS and have held that view since long before the NBA or NCAA added their RA's. They like their way better and just will not call it by HS rules.

Is this suppose to be the other way around?

[egj13]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I know more than a few officials who will refuse to call a block under the basket in HS and have held that view since long before the NBA or NCAA added their RA's.

We had this exact discussion at half time of my VB game last weekend. We had a play very similiar...double whistle between L and T, fortunately we had pre-gamed second defender so T never raised her hand to signal. L called it a block. When we got in at half time and were discussing the call and why he went block he said it was because of the depth of the defender. So it was personal preference and I don't see a problem with it. We all agreed that we wish they would put a RA line in for high-school.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by egj13

he went block he said it was because of the depth of the defender. So it was personal preference and I don't see a problem with it.

Why do you not have a problem with it?

A defender can defend *anywhere* on the court under NFHS rules.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by upanddown

Had a situation: L and C double whistle baseline drive to basket;

For two experienced Varsity Refs, why are L and C watching the same area. L shouldn't have been "reaching" across the lane to make a call out of his area. If you officiate your PCAs you run less risk of this happening in the first place.