3 Man Mechanic ?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Easy...C should be the new T by then if the L is paying attention.

Rotations dont always happen that fast, nor should they when the ball hasn't settled below the FT line. The C HAS to make the call.

Bottom line, there are situations where the C will have to make a BC violation call, even when the ball is in the FC.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Rotations dont always happen that fast, nor should they when the ball hasn't settled below the FT line. The C HAS to make the call.

Bottom line, there are situations where the C will have to make a BC violation call, even when the ball is in the FC.

I know there are different philosophies out there....

Settling below the FT line isn't even part of my thought process when it comes to initiating a rotation. All I care is that the ball and the officials are in the frontcourt.

For example, if a trap happens anywhere on the C's side, I'm rotating as the lead, so the C can take a step out and properly officiate the trap. Likewise, if a player is posting up on the C's side and the ball is anywhere on that side of the court, I'm likely going across. If I wait untiol the ball's passed into the post, I've waited too long.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Rich

I know there are different philosophies out there....

Settling below the FT line isn't even part of my thought process when it comes to initiating a rotation. All I care is that the ball and the officials are in the frontcourt.

For example, if a trap happens anywhere on the C's side, I'm rotating as the lead, so the C can take a step out and properly officiate the trap. Likewise, if a player is posting up on the C's side and the ball is anywhere on that side of the court, I'm likely going across. If I wait untiol the ball's passed into the post, I've waited too long.

Just using common terminology, Rich. Personally, I don't think a trap 5' from the top of the key in the C's PCA warrants a rotation but that's another conversation.

The point is there are situations that can occur where the ball will be in the FC where the C would have to make the BC violation call, not the T.

At least IMO.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Just using common terminology, Rich. Personally, I don't think a trap 5' from the top of the key in the C's PCA warrants a rotation but that's another conversation.

We can have that another time, I suppose. I do disagree with you, but that's not terribly important.

[SAJ]

Originally Posted by Rich

I know there are different philosophies out there....

Settling below the FT line isn't even part of my thought process when it comes to initiating a rotation. All I care is that the ball and the officials are in the frontcourt.

For example, if a trap happens anywhere on the C's side, I'm rotating as the lead, so the C can take a step out and properly officiate the trap. Likewise, if a player is posting up on the C's side and the ball is anywhere on that side of the court, I'm likely going across. If I wait untiol the ball's passed into the post, I've waited too long.

In our group of officials, if the C has to start officiating "on ball" there should be an immediate rotation.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SAJ

In our group of officials, if the C has to start officiating "on ball" there should be an immediate rotation.

Exactly. Unless the player shoots or drives to the basket and there's inadequate time to get across and in position.

[packersowner]

Amazon.com: Basketball Officiating Mechanics 2 and 3 Person High School Crews: Right Spot at the Right Time (9781582081687): Ken Koester: Books

Page 137 discusses the "center initiated" rotation. For a brief moment, you could probably assume that while C is in transition to the T, they also have to cover the backcourt violation.

I was just reviewing this earlier tonight...good timing.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by SAJ

In our group of officials, if the C has to start officiating "on ball" there should be an immediate rotation.

Originally Posted by Rich

Exactly. Unless the player shoots or drives to the basket and there's inadequate time to get across and in position.

This is how I pregame it too in 3-person, although with some people, it never happens. I will be the C and have an on-ball defender, and the Lead will be standing there with his hands in his pockets.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by zm1283

This is how I pregame it too in 3-person, although with some people, it never happens. I will be the C and have an on-ball defender, and the Lead will be standing there with his hands in his pockets.

Thus my 3-person mini-rant the other day...