Last two minutes

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, but their definition of "unsporting" is, and includes what the fed calls intentional fouls.

Then I don't get the original post -- the ball becomes live when the ball is given to the thrower in -- at least in NFHS/NCAA rules.

[Jay R]

What the original post was referring to is quite different than NFHS.

In FIBA, in the last two minutes of the 4th (or OT), any defensive foul that occurs before the inbounder has released the ball is automatically called an unsportsmanlike foul. The penalty is two FTs and possession.

Thus some officials hesitate to call these fouls since the penalty is harsher than during the rest of the game. Panther Dreams referrred to dead ball foul but I Think he meant live ball but before the ball is released on the throw in.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jay R

What the original post was referring to is quite different than NFHS.

In FIBA, in the last two minutes of the 4th (or OT), any defensive foul that occurs before the inbounder has released the ball is automatically called an unsportsmanlike foul. The penalty is two FTs and possession.

Thus some officials hesitate to call these fouls since the penalty is harsher than during the rest of the game. Panther Dreams referrred to dead ball foul but I Think he meant live ball but before the ball is released on the throw in.

Thanks.

I think I'd just call the foul, then. Not my problem that the rule is written in that way. If someone holds a teammate of a thrower in, what else can you do?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

Then I don't get the original post -- the ball becomes live when the ball is given to the thrower in -- at least in NFHS/NCAA rules.

I've heard a top official/partner (multiple state tourneys) here state that if there is a foul before the throwin ends that it has to be intentional. The game where he said it had about 10 seconds left and the team getting the ball out of a timeout was up 1-2 and the other team would be fouling. While it could be intentional, I let him that there was no such rule that made it automatically intentional.

There are a lot of people at a lot of levels that believe some incorrect stuff.

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I've heard a top official/partner (multiple state tourneys) here state that if there is a foul before the throwin ends that it has to be intentional. The game where he said it had about 10 seconds left and the team getting the ball out of a timeout was up 1-2 and the other team would be foulding. While it could be intentional, I let him that there was no such rule that made it automatically intentional.

There are a lot of people at a lot of levels that believe some incorrect stuff.

I believe the NBA rule is somewhat similar to the FIBA rule in the last two minutes. That may be where some of the confusuion comes from.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Jay R

I believe the NBA rule is somewhat similar to the FIBA rule in the last two minutes. That may be where some of the confusuion comes from.

In the NBA, if the defense fouls before the ball is released for the throw-in, it's an automatic two shots for the offended player. If the same situation happens in the final two minutes of regulation or overtime, it's consider an away-from-the-play foul which means one shot for any of the five players on the court at the time of the foul and possession of the ball.