Correctable Error?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Just to make sure we know which shots we are wiping, as the posts are getting crossed in my thinking...

Three shots are awarded incorrectly when there should be 2.

You are wiping either
A)The "and 1" (first free throw)
B)Second of the the 2 INT free throws(third free throw)

I was thinking the same thing. It could matter, and should be based on what the crew said they were doing (amongst themselves, then to the table, then to coaches).

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

I was thinking the same thing. It could matter, and should be based on what the crew said they were doing (amongst themselves, then to the table, then to coaches).

Agreed.

As described the first FT was the error, not the third.

[OKREF]

Yes. The first free throw was the error, as they said it was for the foul on a made shot. They then awarded 2 for the intentional foul. I just don't understand why they did it. All I know is that it wasn't corrected and they played on. If caught, it would have to be corrected after the throw in on the first dead ball, correct?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Yes. The first free throw was the error, as they said it was for the foul on a made shot. They then awarded 2 for the intentional foul. I just don't understand why they did it. All I know is that it wasn't corrected and they played on. If caught, it would have to be corrected after the throw in on the first dead ball, correct?

Yes.

[just another ref]

Saw the exact same call made at the local high school here, perhaps ten years ago. The official's explanation: "One for the foul, two for the intentional."

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Agreed.

As described the first FT was the error, not the third.

Bob:

I disagree. A1 should have been awarded only two free throws and he was awarded three free throws. It does not matter if in the minds of the officials (insert half wit joke here, ) that he was awarding one and then two free throws, A1 was only entitled to two free throws and he received them; the third free throw that he attempted was the free throw to which he was not entitled to shoot. If A1 made the second and third or only the third free throw, the third free throw will be canceled.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

As described the first FT was the error, not the third.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The third free throw that he attempted was the free throw to which he was not entitled to shoot.

This debate is actually very important if the shooter misses some of his free throws. I hope that we can get to some type of conclusion or closure. I want the corect answer.

[BLydic]

Always listen to MTD, Sr. No ... Bob ... always listen to Bob.

I'm going with what Bob said.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This debate is actually very important if the shooter misses some of his free throws. I hope that we can get to some type of conclusion or closure. I want the corect answer.

There is no debate. The question has been answered.

There is no "and 1."

[bob jenkins]

Let's try this a different way.

A1 shoots the "and 1". A1 shoots the "first of 2 for the intentional". Now, someone wakes up and says, "hey -- he only gets 2". Do we say he's shot his two, or do we wipe out the first, and shoot the third?

(and, to be clear, I thought I deleted my post above before I hit "post", but apparently not. Sorry to tell you Billy, but until the FED comes out, I don't think you'll get a definitive answer.)

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Let's try this a different way.

A1 shoots the "and 1". A1 shoots the "first of 2 for the intentional". Now, someone wakes up and says, "hey -- he only gets 2". Do we say he's shot his two, or do we wipe out the first, and shoot the third?

(and, to be clear, I thought I deleted my post above before I hit "post", but apparently not. Sorry to tell you Billy, but until the FED comes out, I don't think you'll get a definitive answer.)

As I said before, I think it depends on - and that this convo should happen - with what the R or reporting official tells the table (and hopefully the coaches) before any shots happen.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Sorry to tell you Billy, but until the FED comes out, I don't think you'll get a definitive answer.

Great? And exactly how am I supposed to get any sleep tonight?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Let's try this a different way.

A1 shoots the "and 1". A1 shoots the "first of 2 for the intentional". Now, someone wakes up and says, "hey -- he only gets 2". Do we say he's shot his two, or do we wipe out the first, and shoot the third?

I think the former...he's done. The problem was awarding the wrong number of shots for a single foul. It isn't like there are several fouls that got all mixed up. It doesn't really matter what you call the shots because the player took the correct number and any in excess would be the mistake.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Bob:

I disagree. A1 should have been awarded only two free throws and he was awarded three free throws. It does not matter if in the minds of the officials (insert half wit joke here, ) that he was awarding one and then two free throws, A1 was only entitled to two free throws and he received them; the third free throw that he attempted was the free throw to which he was not entitled to shoot. If A1 made the second and third or only the third free throw, the third free throw will be canceled. MTD, Sr.

I agree. He gets two FTs. When he shot his second FT, he has now taken 2 FTs.

It makes no difference what senario the officials are saying happened or how they screwed up.

When the first two FTs are taken, any further FTs are unmerited.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I agree. He gets two FTs. When he shot his second FT, he has now taken 2 FTs.

It makes no difference what senario the officials are saying happened or how they screwed up.

When the first two FTs are taken, any further FTs are unmerited.

Thanks Tony. The check is in the mail.

MTD, Sr.