NCAAM Flagrant 2

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

NFHS flagrant technical

Originally Posted by Rich

Try again.

Originally Posted by just another ref

don't think so

Try again....a fragrant technical is not among your available options.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Try again....a fragrant technical is not among your available options.

Actually it is. Keep looking.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Actually it is. Keep looking.

Uhmmm...according to 4-19-4, in order to be a flagrant T it has to be a dead ball.

[johnny d]

we have had these discussions before. contact, while the ball is live, whether flagrant or not cannot be a technical foul.

i have a flagrant 1 on this play. defender pretty clearly goes after the ball. yes there is excessive body contact, which is why i am going ff1. imo, it looks really bad because we have a much smaller airborne player being knocked to the ground by a much larger and stronger player. defensive player does nothing extra to try to drive the player into the ground, so unless there was something similar previously by this player i would not go ff2.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Uhmmm...according to 4-19-4, in order to be a flagrant T it has to be a dead ball.

Yep. When the contact occurred, it was a dead ball if I'd had a whistle.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Yep. When the contact occurred, it was a dead ball if I'd had a whistle.

Are you watching the same gif? Unless you're trying to be cute and imply that you think there was a travel...




As to the play, I have a flagrant 2. Wind up, significant impact around the shoulder area, and a follow through. Ejection.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

Are you watching the same gif? Unless you're trying to be cute and imply that you think there was a travel.

Not implying it, nothing cute about it. There was a travel.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not implying it, nothing cute about it. There was a travel.

It was a travel, but it's one that never gets called.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not implying it, nothing cute about it. There was a travel.

I guess if I was in your position, I would have just said I had a travel on the play (as for that, I'm not calling that and I honestly wouldn't expect that to be called either) instead of looking like I don't know what the hell I'm talking about with regard to a live vs dead ball.

Anyhow, here's another look at the play: