NCAAM Flagrant 2

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Uhmmm...according to 4-19-4, in order to be a flagrant T it has to be a dead ball.

Yep. When the contact occurred, it was a dead ball if I'd had a whistle.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Yep. When the contact occurred, it was a dead ball if I'd had a whistle.

Are you watching the same gif? Unless you're trying to be cute and imply that you think there was a travel...




As to the play, I have a flagrant 2. Wind up, significant impact around the shoulder area, and a follow through. Ejection.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

Are you watching the same gif? Unless you're trying to be cute and imply that you think there was a travel.

Not implying it, nothing cute about it. There was a travel.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not implying it, nothing cute about it. There was a travel.

It was a travel, but it's one that never gets called.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not implying it, nothing cute about it. There was a travel.

I guess if I was in your position, I would have just said I had a travel on the play (as for that, I'm not calling that and I honestly wouldn't expect that to be called either) instead of looking like I don't know what the hell I'm talking about with regard to a live vs dead ball.

Anyhow, here's another look at the play:

[Rich]

Originally Posted by APG

I guess if I was in your position, I would have just said I had a travel on the play (as for that, I'm not calling that and I honestly wouldn't expect that to be called either) instead of looking like I don't know what the hell I'm talking about with regard to a live vs dead ball.

Anyhow, here's another look at the play:

The only people calling that travel are those watching it on YouTube.

[OKREF]

NFHS. Probably tossing him. Sure looks flagrant.

[JugglingReferee]

If the kid doesn't put his left foot down again (which creates the travel), and therefore releases the ball legally, then I'm not sure B1 has a decent play on the ball, and likely doesn't foul A1 in the manner that he did.

I really like the quickness that the L went to the INT - no hesitation on his part whatsoever. However, I'm not sure if that's the proper signal for a FF1 or FF2.

[just another ref]

Okay, first I apologize for being flippant. Then some of you got dragged into the spirit of that part of it.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It was a travel, but it's one that never gets called.

Originally Posted by Rich

The only people calling that travel are those watching it on YouTube.

But, seriously, you guys would ignore this in a high school game? There is no other word besides ignore. The last dribble was just inside the 3 point line. The pivot foot was cleary established above the free throw line. Then he winds up 10 feet away from that spot going up off both feet. This is not a basketball game move. This is a dunk contest move. Watching this play is why every 6 footer with decent hops will sometimes try it in a game. They assume that they, too, will be allowed a running start.

[Raymond]

JAR,

if there is travel that consistently gets missed/ignored at the college level I would say this is it.