Timekeeper sneaking in subs

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

... Besides, I think the timekeeper was conned into it by a ... scorekeeper.
...

Based on your other thread I'm betting on this guy.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

There's a difference between applying the rules with the spirit of the game and outright ignoring the rules. I'm going to call 3 seconds and I'm going to get a coach back in his box. Maybe not right on the nose, but it's going to happen. I'm not going to intentionally create a stoppage to get a sub in. That's the coach's job.

I do think it's an integrity issue. I don't have a big problem with it at the JH level. It has it's own needs. To do it in HS, well....

How can it be an integrity issue at one level but not the other?

I had a HS game last week where the final score was 87-17. Winning coach tells me while I am passing by he wants to get his guys out. When they got the ball, we got them in. Opposing coach didn't say a word.

[rockyroad]

Jr. high games or summer league games, I have no problem doing this...regular season, I have never done it and don't think I will. The question I ask is would we do it in a 2 point game to let the Coach get someone in there? No way...they would need to call a timeout, commit a foul, or a turnover...not that hard for the coach to tell a kid to foul someone or throw the ball oob...they can take care of getting a dead ball situation to get their subs in.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

The question I ask is would we do it in a 2 point game to let the Coach get someone in.

No. I agree, this isn't the time to do it. But my point is there could be a time to do it. Once again, when in Rome........

[APG]

Maybe I'm a hard *** but there's no way in hell I'm just blowing my whistle in a blowout to bring subs in unless there's a specific mechanic provided by league rules. Don't care what the level of play is...even if this was an accepted practice in my area, I wouldn't do it. I'm also not going to call a phantom travel either...that doesn't look good on tape. If coach wants to get those players in, call a timeout...hell, tell a player to give a take foul for all I care.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by OKREF

No. I agree, this isn't the time to do it. But my point is there could be a time to do it. Once again, when in Rome........

Yeah, I get that...I still don't think it's that hard for the coach to tell his player to toss the ball oob.

[Welpe]

Put me in APG's corner on this one. It's also something I've never seen done around here

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Put me in APG's corner on this one. It's also something I've never seen done around here

Hey...why not my corner. I said that first.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Hey...why not my corner. I said that first.

Because your name doesn't appear like this: rockyroad

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because your name doesn't appear like this: rockyroad

That's funny.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Because your name doesn't appear like this: rockyroad

That's a stupid reason.

Now shut up.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Yeah, I get that...I still don't think it's that hard for the coach to tell his player to toss the ball oob.

When I coached I've done this. My point guard looked at me funny when I told him to pass me the ball.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by OKREF

How can it be an integrity issue at one level but not the other?

I had a HS game last week where the final score was 87-17. Winning coach tells me while I am passing by he wants to get his guys out. When they got the ball, we got them in. Opposing coach didn't say a word.

I have a problem with it at JH. It's just not a big problem at that level. In other words, in a HS game I'm writing a report to the assignor. In a JH game, I'm just telling you you shouldn't do it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I have a problem with it at JH. It's just not a big problem at that level. In other words, in a HS game I'm writing a report to the assignor. In a JH game, I'm just telling you you shouldn't do it.

Our issue isn't your problem with it. The issue is your insinuation that it's a matter of integrity.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Adam

Our issue isn't your problem with it. The issue is your insinuation that it's a matter of integrity.

I haven't insinuated it. I've pretty plainly said that I think it's an integrity issue to intentionally set aside a rule because you don't feel like enforcing it for whatever reason.

I don't deny that you feel like you're on the side of angels. After all, you're just trying to let the benchwarmers get into the game. However, that doesn't make it acceptable. It's especially mind-boggling to me when there are far easier ways that are actually legal to get the players in ranging from a timeout to purposefully committing a turnover.