Timekeeper sneaking in subs

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Adam

It's expected in some areas, and even encouraged. In the end, who really cares?

If those areas feel that way, they're welcome to amend their rules to allow for it, but I'm willing to bet they haven't. Which means that a referee doing this is blatantly and intentionally failing to conduct the game according to its rules. That's a lack of integrity on the part of the official. What's next? Phantom travel calls?

If a coach wants his players in the game after a basket, he can call a timeout.

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

With a dead ball, and the clock stopped, send them back to the table, and then beckon them in.

In a varsity game? This.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

If those areas feel that way, they're welcome to amend their rules to allow for it, but I'm willing to bet they haven't. Which means that a referee doing this is blatantly and intentionally failing to conduct the game according to its rules. That's a lack of integrity on the part of the official. What's next? Phantom travel calls?

If a coach wants his players in the game after a basket, he can call a timeout.

Lack of integrity? Good grief.

This isn't some moral high road you're on. Let me seize do you start counting three seconds as soon as 55 gets his foot into the paint?

And the last thing anyone wants with two minutes left in a 30 point game is a timeout.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

If those areas feel that way, they're welcome to amend their rules to allow for it, but I'm willing to bet they haven't. Which means that a referee doing this is blatantly and intentionally failing to conduct the game according to its rules. That's a lack of integrity on the part of the official. What's next? Phantom travel calls?

If a coach wants his players in the game after a basket, he can call a timeout.

All I can say is where I am, it happens all the time. I have seen many officials do it, and never seen anyone question it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

What's next? Phantom travel calls?

You must've read my post.

The only thing that resulted from that was a lot of laughter and a kid getting into a 50+ point blowout.

In other words, lighten up Francis.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

If those areas feel that way, they're welcome to amend their rules to allow for it, but I'm willing to bet they haven't. Which means that a referee doing this is blatantly and intentionally failing to conduct the game according to its rules. That's a lack of integrity on the part of the official. What's next? Phantom travel calls?

If a coach wants his players in the game after a basket, he can call a timeout.

Do you make a coach stay in the box at all times? Do you start your 3 second count as soon as someone puts a foot in the lane?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

If a coach wants his players in the game after a basket, he can call a timeout.

Despite the pushback Eastshire is getting, I think he makes a valid point here. Many a coach has spent a timeout just to get someone in (his team or opponent's), looked at me, and said, "that's all I want." Quick, easy, and painless. I don't think that's too much to ask, and I don't see how it embarrasses anyone.

[Adam]

While I agree a coach could call for a timeout, I'd rather they didn't as long as the rule requires both coaches agree in order to shorten a timeout.

And the idea of requiring it seems to me a bit overly officious.

[JugglingReferee]

The only problem I have with blowing the play dead after a basket, to let subs in, is that there is no published guide.

Some officials will do it, some won't.

Of those that will do it, what constitutes a blow out is different between officials. (Assuming this is not done in a close game.)

The only way to be fair is to say that it will be done within a matching time and/or score constraint. Example: within the last 4 minutes and at least a 20-point spread.

[Adam]

It's like corn, the judge knows it when he sees it.

And it's really no different than changing your travel filter.

[Tio]

So in Jr. High game, you will have parents volunteering on the clock/board and wouldn't worry about it too much. If it is happening at a higher level game with staff working the clock, I would address with the timer. But by rule you would have to bring them in. In NCAA rules you would not bring in subs on an inadvertent whistle or timing mistake inside of 1 minute.

[bob jenkins]

I've been known to ask BOTH coaches as a I run by if they want the subs in. If they both say yes, then I might have an IW.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

i've been known to ask both coaches as a i run by if they want the subs in. If they both say yes, then i might have an iw.

+100

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Do you make a coach stay in the box at all times? Do you start your 3 second count as soon as someone puts a foot in the lane?

There's a difference between applying the rules with the spirit of the game and outright ignoring the rules. I'm going to call 3 seconds and I'm going to get a coach back in his box. Maybe not right on the nose, but it's going to happen. I'm not going to intentionally create a stoppage to get a sub in. That's the coach's job.

I do think it's an integrity issue. I don't have a big problem with it at the JH level. It has it's own needs. To do it in HS, well....

[Adam]

Keep it civil.