Players on the floor after 2Q, different in 3Q

[just another ref]

Scorebook verified no one checked in. Did they verify which players were on the court at the end of the half?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's the scorer's job. If the scorer doesn't know, we have to play with who is out there. If the scorer does know, and the coach raises it, then play with who WAS out there.

Easiest solution. But in my years, not a single coach has made an issue of it.

[BayStateRef]

There is one scorer in my area who writes in the book the numbers of every player on the court when each quarter ends. If different players start a quarter without reporting, she has the timer sound the horn and has no trouble telling the coach (visiting coach, of course) exactly who was in the game when the quarter ended.

The evidence was clear...and left me no choice but to enforce the rule. At the next quarter, the players made a special "show" of checking in.

[bob jenkins]

I think it was a POE a couple of years ago, and all scorers should (but not all do, I know) know who is in the game at any given time. (And, if it's too much for the scorer than someone else at the table can track it.)

Heck, many gyms have the current players on the scoreboard.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

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Heck, many gyms have the current players on the scoreboard.

Damn, you must work in some rich school districts.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

There is one scorer in my area who writes in the book the numbers of every player on the court when each courtier ends. If different players start a quarter without reporting, she has the timer sound the horn and has no trouble telling the coach (visiting coach, of course) exactly who was in the game when the quarter ended.

Is this because the home coach is aware of the rule and how much a stickler the scorekeeper is or because the scorekeeper's a homer?

[MD Longhorn]

Is it just me.... or is this a rather stupid rule.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by ref3808

So how did our colleagues handle it?

They blew the whistle and the teams played on, much to the consternation of the HC.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Scorebook verified no one checked in. Did they verify which players were on the court at the end of the half?

The scorer involved said that it would be too difficult to keep track of this, since there's no place to put it in the scorebook. According to him, he's got to add up points for the quarter and verify other "stuff" and therefore has no time to do it.

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Would anyone think to say the onus is on the coach to provide information that confirms his assertion? Since was the home coach complaining, is this something they set up?

This was my argument in our meeting. "What if he was up to some shenanigans." If this comes up in my game I think my response would be that he would have to prove it for me. I don't want him to be able to pick the lineup for the other coach. The best solution some of us came with was to ask the coach "Are these the same players that ended the quarter?" thus putting it on him.

[Adam]

For me, this is all on the scorer. If the scorer can't tell me who finished the last quarter, I'm not trying to remember. And that will be the end of my detective work.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by Rich

Is this because the home coach is aware of the rule and how much a stickler the scorekeeper is or because the scorekeeper's a homer?

Probably the first. But I never asked. I had her do it in three games...and she was consistent. One visiting coach complained bitterly, but I told her that I had no choice but to enforce the rule, since the scorer certainly had it all documented. In that game, this coach was burned twice: at the start of the second quarter and at the start of the second half. Shame on her for not learning after the first incident. At the start of the fourth quarter, I watched the girls make a big show of checking in properly.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Damn, you must work in some rich school districts.

Basketball is the state's big sport, so I think a lot of money and sponsorships come to make gyms better. Change this to baseball and not many care.

Peace