Players on the floor after 2Q, different in 3Q

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by The Rooster

The varsity officials after my game had to deal with the home head coach who complained that the players at the end of the second quarter were different than the players who started the third quarter. According to HC, they did not check in before the 15 second warning buzzer starting the third quarter. He confirmed with the official scorer that no one had checked prior to that buzzer.

My question, How can we enforce 3-3-1a if no one keeps track of the players leaving after the second quarter? Are we expected to keep track?

That's the scorer's job. If the scorer doesn't know, we have to play with who is out there. If the scorer does know, and the coach raises it, then play with who WAS out there.

[JetMetFan]

3.3.1 SITUATION D:

Intermission has concluded and play is about to resume in the third quarter when the scorer notifies the officials that no Team A substitutes reported prior to the warning horn.

RULING: The third quarter begins with the same five Team A players that concluded the second quarter. (3-3-1a Note)

"Coach, if you can remember the five players on the floor for the other team at the end of the first half more power to you because I sure don't..."

(whistle...ball in play)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

"Coach, if you can remember the five players on the floor for the other team at the end of the first half more power to you because I sure don't..."

(whistle...ball in play)

OP states the scorebook backed up the coach. Good enough for me.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Adam

OP states the scorebook backed up the coach. Good enough for me.

Oh, I get that part and I don't doubt that no one checked in to the scorer. I'll be more than happy to go along with them if either the HC or the scorer can remember who was out there at the end of the first half.

[just another ref]

Scorebook verified no one checked in. Did they verify which players were on the court at the end of the half?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's the scorer's job. If the scorer doesn't know, we have to play with who is out there. If the scorer does know, and the coach raises it, then play with who WAS out there.

Easiest solution. But in my years, not a single coach has made an issue of it.

[BayStateRef]

There is one scorer in my area who writes in the book the numbers of every player on the court when each quarter ends. If different players start a quarter without reporting, she has the timer sound the horn and has no trouble telling the coach (visiting coach, of course) exactly who was in the game when the quarter ended.

The evidence was clear...and left me no choice but to enforce the rule. At the next quarter, the players made a special "show" of checking in.

[bob jenkins]

I think it was a POE a couple of years ago, and all scorers should (but not all do, I know) know who is in the game at any given time. (And, if it's too much for the scorer than someone else at the table can track it.)

Heck, many gyms have the current players on the scoreboard.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

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Heck, many gyms have the current players on the scoreboard.

Damn, you must work in some rich school districts.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Damn, you must work in some rich school districts.

Basketball is the state's big sport, so I think a lot of money and sponsorships come to make gyms better. Change this to baseball and not many care.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

There is one scorer in my area who writes in the book the numbers of every player on the court when each courtier ends. If different players start a quarter without reporting, she has the timer sound the horn and has no trouble telling the coach (visiting coach, of course) exactly who was in the game when the quarter ended.

Is this because the home coach is aware of the rule and how much a stickler the scorekeeper is or because the scorekeeper's a homer?

[MD Longhorn]

Is it just me.... or is this a rather stupid rule.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by Rich

Is this because the home coach is aware of the rule and how much a stickler the scorekeeper is or because the scorekeeper's a homer?

Probably the first. But I never asked. I had her do it in three games...and she was consistent. One visiting coach complained bitterly, but I told her that I had no choice but to enforce the rule, since the scorer certainly had it all documented. In that game, this coach was burned twice: at the start of the second quarter and at the start of the second half. Shame on her for not learning after the first incident. At the start of the fourth quarter, I watched the girls make a big show of checking in properly.