Team control foul clarification

[DKremer]

Please clarify whether team control (and therefore TC fouls) end with a try (shot). We had an overtime foul today (we were well into the bonus by then) on a common rebounding foul committed by a member of the (opposing) team whose player had just taken the shot. Team control? Btw, if it matters, the player fouled had the ball in hand when the foul was committed but was still in the air: I know it's not in the book, but imagine an over-the-back situation.

[just another ref]

When a try is in flight, there is no team control. If there is a foul by either team on the rebound, a team that is in the bonus should shoot.

[maven]

4-12-2:

A team is in control of the ball:
a. When a player of the team is in control.
b. While a live ball is being passed among teammates.
c. During an interrupted dribble.


4-12-3:

Team control continues until:
a. The ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal.
b. An opponent secures control.
c. The ball becomes dead.

[DKremer]

Thanks, that was my belief but the young ref working the game said team control, no bonus. I found it particularly interesting since his partner (who called the foul in the first place) had taken care to point to the would-be free throw shooter. It's Rec, and, since I'm coaching 12-yr-olds, I didn't want to force a confrontation either between me & the refs or between the 2 of them, but he explained it as a team control foul after the game & left me wondering whether I'd missed something.

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by DKremer

Thanks, that was my belief but the young ref working the game said team control, no bonus. I found it particularly interesting since his partner (who called the foul in the first place) had taken care to point to the would-be free throw shooter. It's Rec, and, since I'm coaching 12-yr-olds, I didn't want to force a confrontation either between me & the refs or between the 2 of them, but he explained it as a team control foul after the game & left me wondering whether I'd missed something.

I believe the OP said that the player had the ball in his hand when the foul was called but was in the air. This would be team control situation because the ball was not released for the try when the fould occurred. Continuation does not apply because it only applies to a foul on the shooter. So, based on the OP, it would be a TC foul.

OK, just re-read the OP and it sounds like B had rebounded the ball and was fouled while coming down with the rebound. If this is correct, you should have been shooting bonus FT's. Your player rebounded the ball and was fouled by the other team. Your team, the team in contol, did not commit the fould so how could it be team control???

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mregor

I believe the OP said that the player had the ball in his hand when the foul was called but was in the air. This would be team control situation because the ball was not released for the try when the fould occurred. Continuation does not apply because it only applies to a foul on the shooter. So, based on the OP, it would be a TC foul.

Might wanna read it again.

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Might wanna read it again.

Yep, I originally saw it as the shooter had the ball in his hand when the foul ocurred off ball. My bad.